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72005 District Convention -- complete audio
by Jourles inok folks.
to whoever missed the spiritual buffet this summer, you're in luck.
all of the talks are now available 'a la carte.
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Anointed Sealed...
by zeroday init has been over 70 years since the anointed number has been sealed.
assuming those anointed were of reasoning age when the number was sealed and the great crowd came into play, how long will the fds stick to this reasoning that the anointed still exist.
or will there be "new light" as in the 1914 understanding.
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For an in-depth analysis on the doctrine of the 144,000 see the thread The 144,000 and the Great Crowd of Revelation.
Zeroday, you touch upon a fact that embarrasses the WT altogether: the "heavenly calling" should have ended in 1935. It has been 70 years!! Can a doctrine get any sillier?
What we have now is a Governing Body where most members were "anointed" after 1935! Here are the twelve members:
Read an analysis on the "anointed" doctrine and the GB in the thread Update: Governing Body Pics.
Neo
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Update: New Governing Body Pics - Have fun!
by Neo inthe twelve men who exert control over the lives of 6,000,000 people and who could put a stop to all the harm caused to families if they wanted to:
as i said in another thread, most of them started partaking the emblems after 1935. that's a clear sign that there's a corrosion of the "remnant" doctrine, because now most of the governing body are considered "replacements" of 'anointed ones who have fallen away'.
i finally found out the new gb members' ages.
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Update: New Governing Body Pics - Have fun!
by Neo inthe twelve men who exert control over the lives of 6,000,000 people and who could put a stop to all the harm caused to families if they wanted to:
as i said in another thread, most of them started partaking the emblems after 1935. that's a clear sign that there's a corrosion of the "remnant" doctrine, because now most of the governing body are considered "replacements" of 'anointed ones who have fallen away'.
i finally found out the new gb members' ages.
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Hey Outlaw, they're hanging in there doing a decent job. If it were me or your running the show we'd have 20,000 member not 6,000,000+.
They're doing a great job in destroying their own organization. Their fear of changing procedures is ossifying the religion. Zero creativity, no adaptation to the contemporary world. The number of disillusioned Witnesses grows each day.
They're paving their way to irrelevance and oblivion.
Neo
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The 12-Member Governing Body - Pics, info and analysis on the new additions
by Neo inguy pierce samuel herd gerrit losch david splane.
"no more additions!".
"no, no more additions!
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I've just started a thread with new Governing Body pics!
Neo
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Update: New Governing Body Pics - Have fun!
by Neo inthe twelve men who exert control over the lives of 6,000,000 people and who could put a stop to all the harm caused to families if they wanted to:
as i said in another thread, most of them started partaking the emblems after 1935. that's a clear sign that there's a corrosion of the "remnant" doctrine, because now most of the governing body are considered "replacements" of 'anointed ones who have fallen away'.
i finally found out the new gb members' ages.
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The twelve men who exert control over the lives of 6,000,000 people and who could put a stop to all the harm caused to families if they wanted to:
As I said in another thread, most of them started partaking the emblems after 1935. That's a clear sign that there's a corrosion of the "remnant" doctrine, because now most of the Governing Body are considered "replacements" of 'anointed ones who have fallen away'.I finally found out the new GB members' ages. The following data shows how old they are and the year they were appointed to the Governing Body:
CAREY BARBER - 100 1977
JOHN E. BARR - 92 1977
SAMUEL HERD - 70 1999GEOFFREY JACKSON - 50 2005THEODORE JARACZ - 80 1976STEPHEN LETT - 56 1999GERRIT LOSCH - 63 1994ANTHONY MORRIS -55 2005GUY PIERCE - 70 1999ALBERT SCHROEDER - 94 1976DAVID SPLANE - 61 1999DANIEL SYDLIK - 86 1976
Morris is 55 and Jackson is 50! Can you believe that? So, Jackson was born in either 1954 or 1955. Let's suppose he started partaking at 20. That was in 1975(!), 40 years after the "heavenly calling" ended! That's completely embarrassing! What credibility does this doctrine have?? For how long will they rely on the "replacements" cop-out?These additions to the GB also prove that it's actually not that hard to be appointed because the condition of being "anointed" is easy to circumvent. Just become a partaker! You can get some ugly looks in your congregation at first, but Jackson began to partake the emblems and kept going on doing this for years until he became accepted. He may even have been considered a weirdo in the first few years but since he was a Society man things eventually falled into place.
That's the recipe! Start partaking, keep it steady, apply for full time service (become a CO or Bethelite as soon as possible), be an organization fawner, play the politics game and you'll eventually make your way into the Governing Body!
Neo
P.S.: (it helps a lot looking to Jaracz as your role model)
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The 12-Member Governing Body - Pics, info and analysis on the new additions
by Neo inguy pierce samuel herd gerrit losch david splane.
"no more additions!".
"no, no more additions!
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MJ,
Jaracz sure looks like ol' Milton Henshel in that pic...
Henschel really looked like Jaracz in the pics and I'm sure people confused them in conventions and stuff.. Both were the most influential in the GB until his death. But I guess Jaracz has a more pointed nose...
IP_SEC,
If these guys were partaking in my old congo, we'd all be like: "Ya, sure they are annointed, uhhhhuh, sure, riiiiiighhht,"
That's what I was sort of trying to say in my first post in the thread. If they've made their way to the GB, they had to begin partaking very young, just like those that today are considered weirdos in their congregations when they start partaking. If you keep partaking for years, they come to accept it. Yesterday I found out the new GB members' ages. Morris is 55 and Jackson is 50! Can you believe that? So, Jackson was born in either 1954 or 1955. Imagine he started partaking at 20. That was in 1975, 40 years after the "heavenly calling" ended! That's completely embarrassing! What credibility does this doctrine have?? For how long will they rely on the "replacements" cop-out? NeoGerritt Losch ……………….1941
David Splane ……………... 1944
Steve Lett …………………. 1949
Anthony Morris..................Late 40's/Early 50's (?)
Geoffrey Jackson ..............Late 40's/Early 50's (?) -
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Journalist predicted Katrina's effects on New Orleans over three months ago
by Neo inyes, we knew the disaster could be predicted and indeed it was.
here's one more piece of evidence: journalist chris mooney wrote an article in may, 23rd, that described in detail what we're seeing right now in new orleans.
he didn't have to be an expert to figure that the city was in serious danger.
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Neo
Thanks for the comments!
There was also an expert that had a meeting with Fema, the military, a member of the White House Staff, etc., that warned these persons of the same thing.
Although a government exercise last year predicted the course of the disaster ...
Shakita and Else, thank you for contributing with additional evidence on the predictability of the hurricane destruction.
Neo
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Strike9 image hosting - what happened?
by Alleymom indoes anyone else here use strike9 for image hosting?
i have used it for a couple of years, but about two weeks ago the server apparently went down and i have not been able to access the site since then.. i've been wondering if it is gone for good, and if so, how i can contact them to get my money back (i subscribe by the year).
any suggestions?.
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Neo
I didn't know strike9 was down.
Try also tinypic.com
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Journalist predicted Katrina's effects on New Orleans over three months ago
by Neo inyes, we knew the disaster could be predicted and indeed it was.
here's one more piece of evidence: journalist chris mooney wrote an article in may, 23rd, that described in detail what we're seeing right now in new orleans.
he didn't have to be an expert to figure that the city was in serious danger.
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Yes, we knew the disaster could be predicted and indeed it was. Here's one more piece of evidence: Journalist Chris Mooney wrote an article in May, 23rd, that described in detail what we're seeing right now in New Orleans. He didn't have to be an expert to figure that the city was in serious danger. Check some highlights from his article (found at The American Prospect) :
Standing atop the levee that protects Metairie, Louisiana, a satellite of New Orleans, from Lake Pontchartrain to the north, (...) you suddenly glimpse the city's startling vulnerability. It's simply a question of elevation: On one side of the levee, the lake's water level comes up much higher than the foundations and baseboards of the nearby homes on the other side. Only the most expensive houses, those sporting third-story crow's nests, have rooftops that clear the levee's height.
In the event of a slow-moving Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane (...), it's possible that only those crow's nests would remain above the water level. Such a storm, plowing over the lake, could generate a 20-foot surge that would easily overwhelm the levees of New Orleans, which only protect against a hybrid Category 2 or Category 3 storm (...) leaving those unable to evacuate with little option but to cluster on rooftops (...) The water itself would become a festering stew of sewage, gasoline, refinery chemicals, and debris.
I thought of the city’s vulnerability recently, when the latest news came out from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: We can expect another very active Atlantic hurricane season this year, beginning on June 1 and stretching to the end of November. (...) A direct hit from a powerful hurricane on New Orleans could furnish perhaps the largest natural catastrophe ever experienced on U.S. soil. Some estimates suggest that well over 25,000 non-evacuees could die. Many more would be stranded, and successful evacuees would have nowhere to return to. Damages could run as high as $100 billion. (...)
There has been little widespread discussion of scenarios in which the United States could find part of its home territory devastated by the sea. Chatter in New Orleans itself has largely focused on improving evacuation plans and reducing gridlock as a storm approaches. These are necessary conversations to have, certainly, but bigger-picture perspectives have rarely surfaced in broader public discussions. That has to change -- and fast. Whatever other natural catastrophes we may be willing to tolerate, the possibility of losing an entire city, and especially the legendary (if also infamous) New Orleans, ought to be out of the question.
I'm cutting and pasting the whole article for easy reference:
Thinking Big About Hurricanes
It's time to get serious about saving New Orleans.By Chris Mooney
Web Exclusive: 05.23.05Standing atop the levee that protects Metairie, Louisiana, a satellite of New Orleans, from Lake Pontchartrain to the north, everything seems normal at first. But scanning your eyes across the horizon -- as I did last November, when I visited my hometown for Thanksgiving -- you suddenly glimpse the city's startling vulnerability. It's simply a question of elevation: On one side of the levee, the lake's water level comes up much higher than the foundations and baseboards of the nearby homes on the other side. Only the most expensive houses, those sporting third-story crow's nests, have rooftops that clear the levee's height.
In the event of a slow-moving Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane (with winds up to or exceeding 155 miles per hour), it's possible that only those crow's nests would remain above the water level. Such a storm, plowing over the lake, could generate a 20-foot surge that would easily overwhelm the levees of New Orleans, which only protect against a hybrid Category 2 or Category 3 storm (with winds up to about 110 miles per hour and a storm surge up to 12 feet). Soon the geographical "bowl" of the Crescent City would fill up with the waters of the lake, leaving those unable to evacuate with little option but to cluster on rooftops -- terrain they would have to share with hungry rats, fire ants, nutria, snakes, and perhaps alligators. The water itself would become a festering stew of sewage, gasoline, refinery chemicals, and debris.
I thought of the city’s vulnerability recently, when the latest news came out from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: We can expect another very active Atlantic hurricane season this year, beginning on June 1 and stretching to the end of November. Last year, four hurricanes devastated swaths of Florida. One of the biggest ones, Ivan (a Category 4 storm) seemed to have New Orleans in its sights for a while. Ivan triggered a mass evacuation -- members of my family scrambled to Shreveport, Baton Rouge, and Houston -- but ultimately missed the city. Now, however, New Orleanians are in for another nail-biting fall and once again must contemplate the possibility of the dreaded "Atlantis scenario" becoming reality.
A direct hit from a powerful hurricane on New Orleans could furnish perhaps the largest natural catastrophe ever experienced on U.S. soil. Some estimates suggest that well over 25,000 non-evacuees could die. Many more would be stranded, and successful evacuees would have nowhere to return to. Damages could run as high as $100 billion. In the wake of such a tragedy, some may even question the wisdom of trying to rebuild the city at all. And to hear hurricane experts like Louisiana State University's Ivor van Heerden tell it, it's only a matter of time before the "big one" hits.
Currently, pretty much every long-term trend cuts against the safety of New Orleans. Levees are subsiding; coastal wetlands (which can slow storm surges) are continually disappearing; and sea levels are rising. And then there's global warming -- a warmer world with warmer ocean temperatures should theoretically experience worse hurricanes. Most importantly, the Atlantic Ocean appears to have entered an active hurricane cycle, with the potential to fling storms at the Gulf Coast for years to come. This puts New Orleans on the vanguard among U.S. coastal cities (including New York) that will have to think hard about their growing vulnerabilities in the coming years. The process of deciding how to save an entire coastal metropolis has begun, but the discussion has largely been confined to experts, and not nearly broad or ambitious enough yet.
It's time to make it that way -- before the next battery of hurricanes arrives, rather than afterward.
New Orleans already boasts some of the most powerful hurricane defenses in the world, yet the city will have to greatly amplify their strength. That engineering feat will take years, prompting talk of more radical short-term protections. Joseph Suhayda, a retired engineer and hurricane expert from Louisiana State University, has seriously proposed creating "community havens" by erecting massive concrete walls down the middle of New Orleans. In the event of a storm surge, the walls would protect hospitals and historic areas, even as those on the wrong side of them would remain unprotected. Where to build the wall would obviously pose a massive moral dilemma.
Meanwhile, the Army Corps of Engineers and others have considered the notion of armoring the I-10 twin span, near the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain, with a miles-long bulwark rising out of the water. If tall and strong enough, the sea wall, dubbed "Operation Block," would knock down any storm surge rising out of the Gulf of Mexico before it hit the lake -- in short, stopping a hurricane with concrete.
And that's just part of the multibillion-dollar program officials with the Corps have envisioned, which would include strengthening huge swaths of the Louisiana gulf coast. New Orleans would be the "only city in the country or even the world" with Category 5 hurricane protections, Corps' senior project manager Al Naomi told me last November. But these ideas are in little more than a brainstorming stage at this point; whether the bureaucratic Corps can lurch into action quickly enough to protect a city faced with ever increasing vulnerabilities remains a serious question. "Twenty years will be too late for New Orleans," says LSU's Van Heerden, who favors a specially funded congressional project more akin to the Tennessee Valley Authority.
Shockingly, even in the wake of the Asian tsunami catastrophe, there has been little widespread discussion of scenarios in which the United States could find part of its home territory devastated by the sea. Chatter in New Orleans itself has largely focused on improving evacuation plans and reducing gridlock as a storm approaches. These are necessary conversations to have, certainly, but bigger-picture perspectives have rarely surfaced in broader public discussions. That has to change -- and fast. Whatever other natural catastrophes we may be willing to tolerate, the possibility of losing an entire city, and especially the legendary (if also infamous) New Orleans, ought to be out of the question.
Chris Mooney is a Prospect senior correspondent whose TAP Online column appears each week. His book on the politicization of science will be published in September by Basic Books. His daily blog and other writings can be found at www.chriscmooney.com .
Neo
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