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  Geoffrey Jackson Royal Commission update

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello people.

  the rc will still go ahead with it's live stream on friday 14th august.

  however, it seem that it will be a video link.

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  dubstepped

  Lmao, Jackson on the spot over acceptance of corporal punishment and squirming in his seat. Love these Aussies!
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  My Husband Lies

  by disillusioned 2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my husband went to the assembly at the weekend.

  a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?

  he lied and told them "i don't know"!

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  Wow, what do you expect? You get to hide and he should have to answer for you? It isn't fair to expect him to do anything more than he did, which seems healthy to me.
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  2007 Awake mentions Child Abuse in Australia!

  by SG098 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in the october 2007 awake!

  page 11, the b0rg had the audacity to say this concerning child sexual abuse: "sadly, though, most of such [child abuse] crimes go unpunished by authorities today.

  in australia, for example, it has been estimated that only 10 percent of offenders are prosecuted, and few are convicted.

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  It is truly mind blowing how they can write a lot of what they write with a straight face. Articles on how we should never give anyone the silent treatment and then they impose shunning, pictures condemning peddling of medical treatments while they are the chief peddlers of the Word, and mentions like this one that show a total lack of self-awareness. They are just a caricature of what they think they are.
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  $$ Get your ROKU on! $$

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all congregations in the united states branch territory.

  re: discount on roku devices.

  dear brothers:.

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  dubstepped

  I always wondered if they got kickbacks for putting us in hotels for conventions. I could go into the same town and find better deals on my own, but they were so adamant about sticking to the list. Did it really have to do with anything other than getting kickbacks for bringing everyone in? Just something I've wondered because you can't ever trust the reasoning they give for things due to their propensity for spinning tales about what's behind their actions.
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  $$ Get your ROKU on! $$

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all congregations in the united states branch territory.

  re: discount on roku devices.

  dear brothers:.

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  dubstepped

  They don't need an affiliate link if they have a discount code that could be tracked. If this is seriously for real, it is really shameful how wrapped up in commercialism they have gotten. Then again, I had heard that they were part of a project whereby you can buy things on Amazon and have basically affiliate commission given to non-profits, JW being one. Not sure if that's true either.
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  Regarding not being viewed negatively when one fades.. An experiment?

  by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in joe134cd's recent thread, he mentioned the myth that apparently one should be able to fade or become inactive without repercussions from the community.

  he mentioned about the 'dropping-you-like-a-hot-potato' phenomenon from social media sites, even when you've not told anybody why you're not coming any more.. i propose that it may be good to record such a phenomenon when it occurs so that this lie can be readily rebuffed.

  i'm not out yet, but when i do, i shall be only to willing to record the response on social media sites.

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  The only flaw I see is that the only people that will care is us who try to fade. JW's don't care about proof of anything negative about them. They will turn a blind eye, make excuses like it was only those handful of times, etc. Seems like an exercise in futility, unless you're trying to prove it to someone specific that you think will listen.
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  Leaving the org and marriage possibly ending

  by atacrossroads in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.

  i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.

  a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.

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  atacrossroads, I wanted to extend heartfelt sympathy. My situation is somewhat different, as my wife and I faded together, and now are just waiting on announcement of our disassociation, but I think that maybe I can offer something that might help. I have seen people go out in different ways. Some, like us, had concerns for a long time and we expressed them to one another about minor things, but as they built up over the years we took them more seriously. I then started to do the unthinkable and researched outside of the organization's publications and my fears were confirmed. I even asked permission from my wife to do so before going on sites like this and others. It was a huge step for me, and I knew that it would affect both of us, so I asked out of respect. The rest is history, though my wife had a hard time at first, and I had a harder time than her later, but we worked it out together because of mutually shared concerns that we discussed little by little over many years.

  In your case the dam just seemed to break. A sudden event triggered your concerns and research into the organization. Boom, like a bomb was dropped. No time to prepare, and it isn't like you asked to see what you saw any more than my wife and I did, but your awakening was more sudden and one-sided.

  All of that is to say that I wonder if you could try to ease your husband into this new state somehow. It seems from what you wrote that it went pretty quickly. Have you guys discussed things that didn't seem kosher over the years? Is he totally blind and unwilling to discuss anything that he sees as wrong? You can't erase what's been done, but perhaps you can turn back the clock a bit by finding common ground as it relates to the organization. Maybe you could even pay it a compliment and acknowledge something positive about it, as few things are all good or all bad. That's sales 101 (or what we were taught about going about our preaching work in the organization), to find common ground in a situation where people are far apart on something. Then work it out slowly. If he had issues with something in the past, maybe bring up that thing that he had problems with and talk it out a bit. Be self-deprecating if need be to get him to let down his defenses. Under the massive ego that the organization has people put on like a mask of control and fear is a person, likely a really great, thoughtful, sincere person from what you've said. He may be able to let that down with time and patience.

  There was a video posted on here from a young couple that left the organization together. He was the first to look into things, and she later followed? What was the key? Among other things, trust. She knew that she could trust him in other things, so that trust in him and his sincerity and the conversations they had leading up to that time made her realize that he wouldn't be criticizing the organization without good reason. That helped her to let her guard down. The same thing happened with my wife and I. We had tremendous trust in one another and had been through a lot of wars together over the years. This wasn't the first time we discussed doubts or issues with things in the organization. In both of our cases it isn't like it was planned out that way and we just had something that you guys don't, but it just happened that way. How can you reestablish trust and build on that? That is something only you can answer. However, if you just take an opposite position and don't have respect for where he is, you will end up losing him. My wife and I made sure to respect where each other was even it if meant leaving at a slower pace and allowing the other to have the time and space they needed. Maybe you can slow down a bit and maybe that would help him not to be so freaked out. You have to admit that when JW's get married they never see themselves in your position right now, or ours for that matter. Change is hard, especially when it is never even considered as an option, and JW's have a penchant for thinking inside a small box and thinking that nothing in there will ever change.

  I really wish you two well. I'd love to see you both work this out if you could. Being able to leave together is one of the most amazing things we've ever done together and has brought us so much closer. And that's pretty freaking close, as we work together daily and are together pretty much 24/7 and have been for many years. This has been an amazing time in our lives, difficult no doubt, soul crushing at times, but the freedom and joy now is unparalleled. You never know, it may be possible in your case if you exercise patience. Then again, I also understand why it is hard to exercise that patience. We just DA'ed for that very reason, we didn't want to play those games anymore. It is tough to pick and choose which battles seem productive.
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  Oh My God, we associated with "worldly people!"

  by ToesUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and the outcome....we had a blast!

  guess what?

  no sex on the table with the other mate (swapping), no cocaine snorting or weed smoking.

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  cognac: Awwww, that's so awesome!!!
  Today my 6 year old insisted on a birthday cake. So, we celebrated her birthday. Again. It is not her birthday, lol

  Your 6 year old has a point that escapes about 8 million JW's. We should celebrate every day, not just see them as something to endure until the Big A comes to wipe out the rest of humanity that we have to put up with on a daily basis so that we can finally find some happiness. "Jehovah's happy people" as they like to refer to themselves are the biggest killjoys on the surface of the earth. Live, laugh, love, as they say. Kids can teach us a lot about how life could be if we didn't get so many things conditioned into or out of us as life advances. So, happy birth of Sunday the 9th to you all. Hopefully you took time to enjoy it like it was the last time you would get to enjoy that particular day.
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  Oh My God, we associated with "worldly people!"

  by ToesUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and the outcome....we had a blast!

  guess what?

  no sex on the table with the other mate (swapping), no cocaine snorting or weed smoking.

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  Good for you guys, all of you finding life on the outside. My wife and I had dinner tonight with a couple and their 1 year old son and had a blast. Got to play with and hold a little kid, which was awesome. Had great conversation from people that actually support us instead of looking to judge us. We could just be. It's so freeing. We even hugged at the end without anyone having sex, men bugging other men's wives, gasp! Life can be amazing without the straight jacket of dogma and fear holding everything in.
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  Please help with RC highlight suggestions!

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  please could you help out by listing what your highlight was?

  example: "my highlight was when angus told o'brien that he had made a false statement".

  your suggestions could be added to the list on the reddit thread, please have a look to see any that you feel are missing!

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  dubstepped

  I believe that one is there under Kevin has no regard for children outside the org or something like that near the bottom.

  It's a nice thread. My wife and I went through many yesterday. Quite a bit of overlap as you watch them.