Here, let me get this back on topic while Fisherman tries to figure out the obvious through simple reading comprehension. How awesome is it when Jehovah's Witnesses donate their hard earned dollars toward helping those hurt by their cult to recover. I mean, it's like JWs actually do something charitable for once. Sure, the money has to be legally ripped from their wretched hands, but it is so great to see them lose that money. I hope it helps their victims find peace and makes changes in the organization, however unlikely.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Lol, yes I admitted it, because unlike you I'm honest. I don't have anything to hide. My points were all accurate. I just wanted to point out who you are, and we all know now. On top of that, I have to believe you're some sort of plant from Watchtower because no normal person would be here for 13 years never helping anyone and defending the indefensible.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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I hear you Steve. I just think Fisherman is a lying tool, here only to troll others, and I trolled him to show that he's not only a coward but apparently a stupid one at that, as in 13 years he has grasped nothing. Nobody should take him seriously because he lacks any integrity or credibility. I have given him chance after chance to prove himself in this and a thread on blood and he's nothing but a shill for a pedophile protecting cult and he can't even make a stand for his own beliefs. Like you said, everything he states is manipulation to his own disingenuous ends. What an embarrassment for his god and organization. -
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I've been awake 1 year today!
by pale.emperor init was a year ago today that my life changed completely.
i'll never forget it.
i had zero friends in the kh and was never included in the "guys" drinks, football games, parties etc.
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Congrats man! Oh man can I relate, we all probably can on some level. You deserve happiness and freedom and I'm glad to have been even a small part of supporting that.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Perry: The greatest hope of atheists, which they have no empirical data to support: is that when they die, their consciousness will stop. It is a vain, unfounded hope.
Lol, like there's empirical data supporting your beliefs? I mean, come on Perry, I like you and you seem like a good dude, but you brought up the term "empirical data".
I'm with the poster above in offering my condolences for the death of your mother, but I too wonder what proof you have that the Holy Spirit helped you during conversations, and that consciousness goes on because terminal lucidity exists? I mean, you have to meet the same burden of proof that you want atheists to meet, right? And no, the Bible doesn't count as empirical data.
I understand wanting to have hope, but hope based on unfounded stories is not real hope.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Island Man: You need to come to grip with the fact that it's not real. It's just a figure of speech. I know you know that on a conscious level. But do you know it on a subconscious level? You'll never lose your life - no one loses their life. You only lose the life of loved ones that die. Only the living lose lives. Losing something means having the experience of being deprived of it. The dead experience nothing therefore they don't lose anything. Death doesn't harm the dead. It only harms the living - those who lose loved ones in death and those who needlessly worry about their own future death because of the psychological torture of the figurative phrase "losing your life".
I guess technically you are right, in that once dead there is no feeling of loss. However, there might be a sense of great loss before that moment of death, and I was referring to losing this life that I built and love. I will know that I'm leaving it behind. I will know that I'm leaving people behind that care about me and will miss me dearly. I will know that my chance of going on to try new things is over with, well, except that I get to try out death after having lived. I think I get what you're saying on a philosophical level, or maybe just semantics over word usage, but it doesn't make me feel better about those moments leading up to death, particularly if I get to grow old and die and it isn't something sudden. Or maybe I misunderstood or just disagree, but I think I get you.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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No, I produced facts. Your answers are disingenuous and an attempt to obfuscate at best, much like the master that you serve, the Watchtower. You have presented absolutely nothing in this discussion, but we all know how you feel about protecting the pedophile paradise of the organization now. Thanks for participating in this discussion. I have better things to do than to continue arguing with a JW drone.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fact: That was weak Fisherman. You cannot answer even simple questions yet demand it of others. Very sad.
Fact: Fisherman defends an organization that doesn't defend it's most vulnerable members, the children within it's grip, to the ability that it can. That says a lot about you. Again, very sad.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman: Which one?
Let me spell this out for you since apparently it is sheer stupidity and not you being daft.
Fact: The dubs use a two witness rule. Fact: Children are often abused in private, without witnesses. Fact: If no second witness is to be found, elders will not act. Fact: Jehovah's Witnesses have discouraged members from going to authorities because it might bring reproach on Jehovah's name. Fact: That has resulted in pedophiles roaming freely in the organization and abusing more children. Fact: The ARC was appalled at the handling of these situations by Jehovah's Witnesses. Fact: Despite all evidence, Fisherman continues to defend this organization.
I could go into the sexually repressed culture and how it often leads to abuse and studies on such. I could go into experiences of kids that I grew up with that were molested with impunity in the organization. But really, all I want to focus on is this:
Fisherman is reflective of this organization and it's qualities. You are what you worship.
Now, my questions to you fisherman. Do you feel that Jehovah's Witnesses do all that they should do for the protection of children? Do you think that my facts above are actually false, and if so, why? Why do you defend an organization that forces little girls to answer sexually explicit questions in front of grown men and that outright refuses to utilize women in such roles? Should an organization that claims to be moral be fighting against truth and help for those damaged by such abuse, or should that organization be fighting for more rights and help for those victims? Your turn to answer my questions.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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I posted lots of facts there. You just can't handle them. You don't want to see them. You want to protect your organization that protects pedophiles. That's really sad. You know about the ARC. You've been here for 13 years so you've read people's experiences. Yet still you defend the organization and their right to protect pedophiles. You don't answer my questions, so I'm not going to research and pick out specifics. I'm still waiting to find out if you would take blood or not. You see, you like to pick apart things that fit you well, just like the organization that you worship. Sadly, you miss the big picture and all of the harm being done while you defend them, focusing only on technical minutia so that you can feel good about what you do, just like Jehovah's Witnesses, or to get all biblical, "straining out the gnat while gulping down the camel".