I think they just grew that much and we don't like it so we create ways to discredit it. They have growth from within and they grow in certain places more than others. It is what it is. They aren't going away.
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Baptisms exceeding 300K last year – a possible reason
by Viva la Vida intwo facts to consider: 1) most baptisms take place during assemblies and conventions; 2) the theocratic year goes from september to august.
my theory: the borg changed the calendar of conventions and assemblies so to concentrate the baptisms in a single theocratic year.
if some conventions used to take place in july/august, for the 2018 series they moved them to september.
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Incest, Rape and Abuse in the Amish World
by cofty inso familiar and for all the same reasons.. the amish keep to themselves.
and they’re hiding a horrifying secret....
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dubstepped
Yep. I know someone that works in the community to try to make change. She says that there is a segment of the older women in the community that have had enough and there is something afoot. They have a hard time getting people to take them seriously at times from the outside because people romanticize their way of life and don't want to see the realities. I hope there is change coming. The situation is really sad.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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ThGod became Son to provide that sacrifice for sins that God did not ask of old Abraham nor would his son's death accomplish anything. 'My justice requires I step up to the plate'. Hallelujah ☺️
So then, it's just theater. Nothing was really sacrificed. God decided he couldn't forgive without the shedding of blood so he could come be the hero. Dude is insecure as can be. First he creates people just to praise him, now he sets up a scenario by which he gets to save those people and be even more the hero. Wow.
It's also not very good justice. If two human lives cost perfection and God's favor, and then only one life was sacrificed to balance it out, God isn't very good at math or restitution. He's also not very good at justice because he kind of had a ringer out there playing the game. If I was Satan I'd be pissed. God is a cheater and didn't play fair at all.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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dubstepped
@DOC - Yep, whacked out crazy fucked up is appropriate. Praise Yahweh! Lol.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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dubstepped
JoenB75 - What evidence? If you're going to say by the qualities perceived in men that are less than desirable, I'll point you to the animals, who never sinned, and yet have similar qualities in their ranks. You also have to deny the story of the Bible or pick and choose what you want to be literal and what you want to be nonsense to keep your beliefs intact. Whatever fits you, you will do, because you want it to be that way.
So you love someone that had to kill his own son in order to forgive humans? That's messed up. He could have just forgiven. I can forgive. You can forgive.
Look, I get it. No matter what I say you'll smooth it over with "but god can do whatever he wants and I'll love him anyway" like the person living in an abusive situation, so you do you, but let's not pretend it's healthy. Deflect, defend, come up with ridiculous reasonings, just say "sweet Jesus" and click your heels together if it makes you feel better, because ultimately you can always come up with a reason for something if you want to believe it badly enough.
Praise Jehovah, for he is murderous and sent the nicest guy to be killed, all because he can't just forgive, but that's okay, because he has almighty power, and thus some would rather worship him to save their own ass than to take a stand against his wicked ways. -
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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JoenB75 - No. There is no proof of Adam and Eve, thus no original sin. The earth has been here much longer than your fairy tales. You can't just point to people you find horrible to try to deflect attention from the suffering and death caused by the god you praise. In fact, you just compared your god to these awful humans. Congrats. If you're trying to tell me that your god owns creation by nature of creating it so he can torture it and have it raped and killed as much as he wants by that virtue, then I am more moral than your god and shame both him and you. He's no superlative example of a father. He's a fairy tale written into a book of wild contradictions.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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dubstepped
Is there any wonder why so many have been hurt and killed in the name of this supposed god? A god of destruction and death, torture and rape. An insecure god that needs to be told how awesome he is in specific ways lest he murders your children and then you? That can't forgive without blood being shed? What a disaster of a book and a god.
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My husband and I told our families we want to disassociate
by erinee inwell, these stories are always fun, right?
let me share mine.. my husband and have been pimo for 2 years.
inactive for one year.
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dubstepped
Just FYI, by disassociating you're not burning bridges. You're choosing a path with the organization. If people shun you, they are the ones burning bridges. That's on them.
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My husband and I told our families we want to disassociate
by erinee inwell, these stories are always fun, right?
let me share mine.. my husband and have been pimo for 2 years.
inactive for one year.
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dubstepped
I feel you on the urge to disassociate. My wife and I did. It's the best decision we've made. No more anxiety, it's over. Why continue to sell yourself out? Go be you, do what you want, believe as you see fit in freedom, and stop supporting the organization by taking a stand. What your family is asking for isn't compromise as much as it's enabling. In the end, many spend much time and effort playing JW games to try to keep people that won't do anything for them. It's often JW codependency at work.
Whatever you decide, this is your chance to make a decision that suits you. Nobody here, your family, none of us have to live your life. Only you.
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For those of you who've watched the Witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that...
by My Name is of No Consequence infor those of you who've watched the witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that the org was forced to make their database of abusers available to the courts.
if this database is as detailed and meticulous as it is claimed, how in the world could the org (in its present form) survive that?
assuming they don't go bankrupt after all of the new abuse claims, would they go underground, shut down the kingdom halls, stop the preaching?
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dubstepped
I don't think that they'll go bankrupt because of abuse claims. It still has to be tied to them in a way that results in real monetary damages. Even if the database was released it would just show that a lot of awful people were inside the Borg but people would stay in the cult and again, you still have to tie them to direct fault.
Take, for instance, the cases on the show. The first two ladies have a great case, in my opinion, because it was known that the person in their midst was likely a pedophile and they didn't do much to protect these girls. The third lady, Sara(h?), was abused by someone and nobody knew before then if memory serves. So what was the organization supposed to do? Now, any girls abused after her might have a case, but the cult won't likely be held responsible for every abuser in their midst.
I know people get upset and want the cult destroyed, and I do too, but I don't see it realistically even if the database came out. I want it out because I want those people that did, or were accused of, awful things, to be investigated. But I don't see it bringing them down. People are always claiming that the world is ending, or that the cult is ending, and yet it persists and grows. I think things like this are good for inoculating the public and getting the people on the bubble to jump off, and it makes us all feel validated. And that's enough. If it brings down the cult that would be great, but I'll never rest my hope on that.