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  Jehovah's Witnesses Attorney's Keeping Things Secret

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the person who has made this video has done some pretty good investigation into the watchtower lawyers in ny.. this is a revealing 10 minute watch.

  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zpxxj_jehovah-s-witnesses-attorneys-keeping-things-secret_news.

  hmmm...i wonder what he could turn up on boston college?

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  Wow, there's several minutes I can't get back. That was a whole bunch of nothing. He never proved that the people in question were members of any of those secret societies or that they don't exist elsewhere. Nor did he prove anything other than the obvious at the end, that all of those people worked for "The Society" as lawyers for WTBTS, which was already known. You don't have to reach so far to point out weirdness in the Borg. That one was a stretch.
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  "Report it to the elders if you hear anyone in the congregation talking bad about the GB"

  by hardtobeme in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  last night and elder gave the bible highlights at the congregation.

  he talked about apostasy.

  and among other things he said: "report to the elders if you hear anyone in the congregation talking bad about the governing body".

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  Oh, so NOW they're on the side of making sure things get reported.
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  "So did the Holy Spirit get it wrong?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the australian royal commission, the issue of appointment of ministerial servants and elders came up for intense scrutiny.. using the elders books and society publication references, the prosecution questioned the premise that "holy spirit directs appointments".

  the question was proposed as to whether this "process was accurate or was it flawed" seeing as many appointed ones were in fact not very righteous, or "spiritual".

  indeed, the issue about "spirituality" was also raised, and the definition of what makes someone "spiritually mature" in the organisation's eyes was raised.

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  Anybody know which videos and times some of these highlights occur?
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  Turns out they don't care about JW children either.............

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so by now most of us have seen the clip of an elder getting owned by the attorney regarding why they don't seem to care for the children outside of the congregation by refusing to report suspected child abusers.

  if not, here's a link:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9dqhb5dua&feature=youtu.be.

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  So by now most of us have seen the clip of an elder getting owned by the attorney regarding why they don't seem to care for the children OUTSIDE of the congregation by refusing to report suspected child abusers. If not, here's a link:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9DqHB5dUA&feature=youtu.be

  But let's take a peek into the 2013 Guidelines For Branch Office Service Desks found HERE about 3/4 of the way down (it is a pdf download).

  Something that caught my attention in particular, and my wife's as well, was point 11. It states:

  11. If a former child molester continues in a position of responsibility—whether the sin occurred before or after baptism—there may be some serious problems if he later molests a child. This could bring great reproach on Jehovah’s name, and it could affect the faith and confidence that our brothers have in Jehovah’s organization. So the branch office is to consider this matter very carefully, weighing all the potential implications and factors before determining how a former child molester is to be used in the congregation.

  Just let that soak in. They are worried that if someone in authority molests a child it could A.) bring reproach upon Jehovah's name and B.) could affect the faith and confidence others have in the organization. Do you see anything missing there? WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT COULD ALSO DESTROY SOME CHILD FOR LIFE!!!!

  They don't even think about the kids. They are so worried about their precious appearance that they throw child molestation out there like there isn't even a CHILD involved? Maybe there is more to the instructions than what the RC provided or that I personally saw, but they don't really even mention the children until the very end, the last page of that topic as presented. The focus is on the molester themselves and how they can be used in the congregation. Not on how to help children that have been affected and their families. Certainly NO mention of going to the authorities. Again, I hope they go on somewhere after that to address those subjects, but you would think that in all of that information covered they could manage to include at least some of that. They certainly managed to cover how much of an impact this could have on their own reputation. Again, what about the kids? Worldly kids be damned, after all we have no need to report anyone to the authorities to help protect them. And JW kids? Meh, child is just a word put in front of molester to describe people that we might want to use organizationally.
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  Clip of shocking testimony from Day 2 of the Royal Commission hearing

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i posted this as a reply to another thread, but thought it deserved it's own thread to draw attention to this important moment in the day 2 testimony.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4fobrocc8.

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  That just went right through me. I'm ashamed to admit that I never thought of that point that he made. Why? Because that religion creates narcissists that cannot see past themselves, their own feelings, and those outside are just background noise at best and dangerous the rest of the time. I recently posted about this in a thread on the subject. JWs don't even know what love is. They cannot see others, cannot mirror them. They are lost in their own little cult. I'm ashamed to say that I was once like that. I'm heartbroken at what the Borg does to human beings in filling their humanity away. Tough watch, though there was something enthralling about watching the organization get exposed.
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  Going to a bad place when i die

  by 060702015 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've thought and said too much to ever gain jehovahs forgiveness and love if i want to be a christian again.

  i made a topic on my unforgivable sin and blaspemy of the holy spirit.. i feel saddness everyday having no relationship with god, no religion and fear of the afterlife.

  even when i was kid i feared death and the end of the world.

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  060, I've felt like you at times. One reason for that is that JWs put a very black and white, good or bad thought pattern in my head. I was approved by God or disapproved. It all hung on who I was today. Slip up once and it's over.

  However, look around you on this forum. Can you not see that I care about you enough to reach out, and that others here do too? If you believe that God is a loving heavenly father, would he abondon you when even a bunch of internet jackasses like us can be so compassionate to someone that's obviously hurting? Can you see that your pain is evidence that you do care and that your heart might be in the right place?

  Take a walk. Watch the clouds in the sky and take in how much bigger this world is than your problems. Watch animals or kids play. See the beauty around you and all that's good. Even if but for a moment you can use that to pull you out of your own head. Life isn't over. It is a filmstrip, not a snapshot of any one moment. No matter what you've done someone else has been there and done that too. If we can understand that, surely God who we are supposed to be a reflection of can do the same.

  Peace.
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  Do you think the JW organization breed narcissistic personality?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why not, the organization is never wrong, therefore if you are part of the organization.

  you are never wrong.

  if there's a problem it's satan, not the brothers.

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  YES!

  Obviously, people with true narcissistic personality disorders that could be diagnosed according to the DSM are something else, but the organization definitely attracts narcissists and breeds narcissistic characteristics. I've seen it in my own family, and in myself before I started to get healthy.

  It attracts narcissists because narcissists love things to be black and white, right or wrong. They love to be correct (i.e. have "The Truth") and for a true narcissist it is in their wheelhouse to manipulate situations or words to make sure that you are wrong. It is all about ego, keeping up appearances, standing out above the fray. Does any of this sound familiar?

  Additionally, for narcissists people are seen as objects, not as human beings with their own thoughts and feelings. As everything in life comes down to an intellectual right or wrong as they see it, your feelings are totally expendable. The governing body makes lots of decisions that destroy the lives of others and they do it simply on a feeling of what is right or wrong in their view, not about the effect that has on others, as brought out in Franz's books. If you don't like what your brother or sister does, shun them. Boom, they're gone, it's that easy. I was always amazed at the ease with which I could get rid of people in my life, and I know where a lot of it came from. I constantly watched people come and go, and you get conditioned to it. They aren't people with lives and families and feelings, they're just objects that were here yesterday, and today they aren't. No worries, they'll be replaced. We'll just go find another one. Field service is a great time to pick out your new system home. Sure, people live their currently and have to be eliminated, but it's all for the best so whatever, one of us gets their house. There is no love in narcissism, just rules to be upheld and someone has to be right, which makes someone else dead wrong.

  I've done a lot of looking into the disorder, into narcissistic families (I highly recommend a book called "The Narcissistic Family : Diagnosis and Treatment"), and so many things hit home that I saw in the organization. I also feel bad about the way that I saw people in the past, though it was understandable from my upbringing in the organization, and by two narcissists who came by it before contact with JW's.
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  Ray Franz and You.

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.

  would we have come this far?.

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  Ray didn't move me to wake up, but his books sure confirmed a lot of what I saw. He also added enough extra to make me overcome the brainwashing and break free emotionally. I saw a signature on another forum that said " I planted, apostates watered, but Google made it grow". In my case I could say "I planted, online apostates watered, but Ray Franz made me go". He helped me decide to leave once and for all time. I may have got there on my own, but not at fast.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Man, this thread delivers. I've learned a lot about Bethel life. The only young brothers I knew that went were either those with really sincere hearts or those that were the biggest jerks (or dick heads as fisherman is fond of) that I've ever known. They were polar opposites.

  Just to weigh in on pm-gate, I do think that revealing pm's isn't cool, but in this case fishermen was obviously baiting you and questioning your legitimacy as he seems to others that made Bethel claims. I'll tell you what, fisherman trolled this time and caught him a big one. Truly a master baiter, that fisherperson. It has certainly added entertainment to the educational opportunity of this thread.
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  July 19th Watchtower Summary. Insanity

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got back from the wt study and it overall was just so blindingly biased and leading.. i had to read it from the platform too, i hope they couldn't see the confounded look on my face as i read this craziness out!.

  first we consider the faith of abel, enoch, noah, abraham, isaac and jacob, and moses.. all of these people are held up as sterling examples of blind faith, with the article pointedly saying that their imaginations sustained their faith in gods promises for them.

  no mention anywhere at all that all of these characters saw and talked to angels, spoke to god himself, saw and performed miracles, or any of the other feats experienced by these characters.

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  Hey lemonparty, if you disliked the study article (and I liked your take), you'll appreciate this article about it too:

  http://meletivivlon.com/2015/07/14/wt-study-they-saw-the-things-promised/