Why don't the people on those threads you linked to, the actual people he was openly discussing his ideas with, seem nearly as butthurt by his book ideas as the people here today? People seemed excited and were willing to take part and help. Now he's a monster for doing the same?
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
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by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
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dubstepped
Lol, the number of nuggets left behind is staggering. Grown ass people don't know how to complete the process more often then one would think. Did I mention how much glory was involved? I think I did. :)
Oh, and I owe it all to the preparation for life given to me by Jehovah's spirit directed organization.
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for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
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dubstepped
Well, I do clean the bathrooms in all of the houses we have cleaned for 17+ years. I figured it up to be roughly 30,000 bathrooms that I've cleaned in my illustrious career. So if the riches aren't enough, there is also glory to be found.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
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for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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dubstepped
Diogenesister: If word got out that you were loaded
Well then, let's not mention it here, lol. My house cleaning riches and podcast millions need to be kept under wraps.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
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dubstepped
@OTWO - I agree. He's terrible with apologies and seems good at coming up with ways to need to apologize.
As for the funds, I don't like it, but apparently some do if he's got sales and donors and it's not up to me to like what others like. If some want to do it to show support then that's up to them. None of them have to prove anything to me, neither Lloyd nor his supporters. They're free to do their thing.
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What Made You Decide To Finally Leave The Organization?
by minimus inwas there one certain event or was it more a cumulative thing?.
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dubstepped
For me it was primarily getting mentally and emotionally healthy and realizing that there was no real love in the organization. The way they talked about everyone outside of the organization, and they way people inside dealt with each other, betrayed a lack of love. They "use" people in the congregation, they call each other "friends" while being in cliques, they look down on so many people and their egos are wrapped up in being self-righteous. It was just ugliness. That started it all for me. It took years to get healthy, and then it honestly wasn't until after we disassociated that I even broke down enough of the doctrine to realize that they were wrong about so many things. I knew enough to get me out, but even after we left I still had a lot to learn about the cult.
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Wave your phone lights and dance at the Assemblies!
by days of future passed inmy sister sent me this youtube.
in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.
sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.
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dubstepped
How was that video less than 2 minutes? It felt like an eternity watching it. Wow.
I always told people that there wasn't anything really emotional to connect with in the cult. Looks like they found it. Formerly it was mostly fear and shame and doom and gloom. Now they've brought in repetitive but cheerful music for people to get wrapped up in and have people up dancing. Ugh.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
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dubstepped
I said: If he owned up to some mistake in the past is he forever defined by it like a disfellowshipped person is forever labeled unless they come crawling back?
Morpheus replied: As for your ridiculous comparisons to being df’d.... please. Because i think someone is an ass and dont want to deal with them dosent equate cult shunning. Thats called life. We dont all see eye to eye and we dont all like each other as besties. To take personal decisions and try to equate them to cult instituted shunning trivializes the pain inflicted by the cults manditory shunning. It also takes away the responsibility i willingly bear for having a view of a person.
So I wanted to let this go, but I'm somewhat obsessive and although I was working and didn't have time earlier I wanted to address the above because it was rolling around in my mind. I didn't feel like your categorization of what I said was fair at all.
My point and question was about a forever label, not an act like shunning. Like labeling John Lloyd a pedo or whatever. A person that has been disfellowshipped and labeled a fornicator or whatever is forever branded with that label unless and until they address the situation.
So you took my question about that label and how labels stick to a person and made it all about what you wanted it to be about for some reason, the act of shunning. So much so that you accused me of trivializing the pain inflicted by the cult's mandatory shunning. Really? Again, I never discussed the act of shunning and was talking about labels that stick to people unless they come crawling back, exactly what people are doing here by expecting him to address labels that are being put upon him based on reading into the terms used in his book. You are the one talking about acts of cult shunning, not me. I never even used the word.
For the record, I am shunned. My wife is shunned. My first act of rebellion was going against the shunning policy and visiting my brother knowing that it would get me shunned. I do a podcast called "shunned" where I help people tell their stories of being shunned. But you accused me of trivializing it. See how easy it is to take words, read things into them, and then jump to assertions? Who knows, maybe someday I'll say something on my podcast that people can hate on me with. Oh to be so famous, lol.
When it comes to Cedar Evans, he certainly has been a polarizing figure. I don't agree with a lot of what he's said or done, and the piling on seems odd, but this site does seem rather anti-Evan Johns, so maybe it's just par for the course here. Maybe there's a history with him that I don't even know. People aren't all good or all bad. Clearly he has some of both in him too.
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for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
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dubstepped
I wasn't directing all of my questions at you directly Morpheus, just thinking aloud at the discussion itself. So hopefully you don't think I'm putting words in your mouth, it wasn't my intent.
There's a phenomenon in this world that I don't get. It seems like we love to build people up just to tear them down. Perhaps we shouldn't build them up anyway, they're just people. Obviously some people build themselves up and maybe Lloyd is that guy.
If someone negs me for my comments that's fine, we don't have to agree. I have more respect for someone that makes a mistake, even a horrific one, and that is vulnerable enough to admit it, than the alternative. Maybe John Lloyd Cedars-Evans did something bad. Maybe he's a total douchebag or worse. I don't know him.
I'd still be interested in seeing exactly what he said, in context. It still wouldn't define everything he is, was, or will be, at least for me. Your mileage may vary, but it seems as though many (not necessarily you Morph) get off on watching people fall. If dude did something awful that's sad and I hope he turns things around or already has if it was something in the distant past.
I'm also not trying to tell anyone what to discuss. I'm just discussing the part I find more interesting, human behavior around instances like this. Noone has to engage me if they don't want. They can go right back to the trashing of the guy. Whatever makes one happy.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
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dubstepped
Why do you or anyone feel like you're entitled to answers. How does it affect you? What exactly did he say? Is he defined by one moment in time? Why such delight in tearing someone down? If he owned up to some mistake in the past is he forever defined by it like a disfellowshipped person is forever labeled unless they come crawling back?