Posts by dubstepped

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

Admittedly I may have thin skin on the topic, but your words didn't just refer to the actual obtaining of a degree but rather people who could have gone to college. Perhaps I'm projecting as I could have gone but didn't and have regrets simply in that it was a challenge I missed out on, or that I get tired of bring treated like a dummy because of what I do for a living. However, it felt like from what I quoted above you were discussing intelligence more than the mere college education. You can have one without the other.

I realize that most cleaners you know didn't go to college, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have or weren't smart enough. There are loads of morons in college, lol. A degree doesn't mean what it used to.

Anyway, glad you found something that works for you. Sounds like you have a good business. There are lots of good businesses out there, many of which require no college. There is so much opportunity out there. In the end it isn't about how much money you make or if you have more degrees than a thermometer, it's about how happy you are in life.

I am one of those that makes decent money. The two of us working together make pretty good money. We are in the trenches every day. As far as money goes, at a point it's not how much you make, but rather what you do with it.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

jaydee:
@dubstepped....Can you check on that at some point please ,
Because I remember him too, but as I remember it, he never finished off the entire book , before they got pulled.

Hmmm....maybe I never listened to the whole thing then, lol. I don't know, I will check if I remember when I get home tonight. It seemed like the end. It went through his forced disassociation and everything, I thought.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

never a jw - If I go by what the self employed cleaners tell me, then they make a decent living. This seems to be a very common job for the less educated.
Interestingly enough, in the Hispanic community there's a very common job for the better educated, the type of people who could have gone to ,or actually attended university.

Maybe that was worded strangely, but:

1. Why WOULDN'T you go by what they tell you?

2. It seems like you think that cleaners are not the type that could have actually attended university. You just contrasted the type of person that could have gone to university (better educated) with those that clean (less educated). In neither case did anyone actually attend college though. There are people that get into cleaning with college educations. There are people like me that excelled in school but that couldn't go to college for some reason (in my case cult conditioning).

Being a cleaner of whatever type is looked down on and the janitor is the butt of all of the jokes. However, we actually get to go help people every day. Not all cleaners are created equal just like not all doctors are created equal. Some of us play the role of psychologist, friend, house cleaner, pet sitter, etc. while cleaning. The school janitor is often a confidant of kids at the school. Even the guy that cleans windows often interacts with the employees of the restaurant that he cleans windows at, or the homeowners at the residential homes that he or she cleans, despite the claims made above by another poster.

My wife and I aren't getting rich. We have a good life though. Often far better than those looking down their nose at us. We live within our means. We invest for retirement. We have a wealth of friends and a huge network that was there to support us when we left the cult. Most attended my wife's first birthday party when we got out. We go to their houses for Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, Halloween, etc.

Those that are self-employed or full business owners have more skills than cleaning a toilet. They have to do their own bookkeeping, accounting, marketing, sales, inventory control, equipment repair, and more. Don't sell people short just because they do a job that many think is beneath them.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

@respectful observer - I believe that youtube was taken down, probably at the behest of the same people that seem to be making sure the book disappears. I did save a copy of the audio if someone needed it. I'd have to look though. I'm an auditory learner so that was my way of getting the information.

Just looked it up on youtube and found it with some computer generated voice reading it. I had it with a human man that read it aloud, and he did a great job.

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Which is better minimum wage or minimum income?

by hoser in

jw
friends

we were having this discussion in the office the other day and we came to the conclusion minimum wage is better because it still adds to the economy vs minimum income which someone could potentially stay at home and do nothing and still get paid without producing a thing for the greater economy.. thoughts?.

dubstepped

^^^ Thank you!

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Which is better minimum wage or minimum income?

by hoser in

jw
friends

we were having this discussion in the office the other day and we came to the conclusion minimum wage is better because it still adds to the economy vs minimum income which someone could potentially stay at home and do nothing and still get paid without producing a thing for the greater economy.. thoughts?.

dubstepped

It bothers me to hear people equate minimum wage to slavery. Don't like minimum wage? You have the ability to walk out and apply elsewhere. You can start a business today more easily than at any other time. There are many options but many people don't want to work. My friend has a handyman business and pays ridiculously well but the people he hires don't work, steal, etc. I know owners of cleaning businesses that can't even get people to show up for an interview. Heck, I turn down work all the time because I don't want to babysit grown ass people that I'm also paying.

I am for a minimum wage like what we have now. It isn't enough to live on and shouldn't be.

I hate the idea of a minimum income. We have programs to catch people now if they fall. Everyone wants to be the savior of the poor. I grew up poor. Poor people often have poor ways of living that keep them there. It's not pc but it's true. Give them money and watch them squander it. Heck, I watched my parents do just that with their inheritance from my grandparents.

People get more lazy and entitled the more we give them, imo. There are countries in Africa that have asked the US charities to stop because their people are getting lazy. A person I knew of started a business there paying more and the people just worked less. Many people don't believe they're worth anything more than what their lot in life is and you can't give them that belief. Comfort is one hell of a drug and it keeps people stuck. I'm against minimums that make people too comfy. That's just my feelings on the matter.

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What do I do ?

by jdash in

hey guys, this is my first time posting on here but lets get started.. so i'm a 17 year old boy who currently attends meetings at a congregation in indianapolis.

i live with my grandparents, on my father's side, because my mother died in 2010. i been attending meetings since i was 10. my mother got into the religion but then got disfellowshiped.

my dad is on and off, he currently just got reinstated.

dubstepped

Hey there, I think you've already been given loads of good advice. My wife and I live in southern Indiana, just across the bridge from Louisville KY. Just know that if you get out in time (no rush) there are more of us out here. We'd be happy to come up sometime and say hi. We like to come up and go to Fuel hockey games every so often, just attended the big basketball day at Bankers Fieldhouse, etc. We like to visit Indy and maybe someday when you get out we can visit you.

There's actually an annual apostafest up near Indy that we went to for the first time last year. My wife is from Seymour and has friends that married and moved away, but they have ties to some exjws in Indy too. We met some of them last winter too. You won't have to be alone and you're doing the right thing by building relationships now for that time.

Mike

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

Oh believe me, I get the looks from people, especially those that know me now. I had scholarships to prestigious engineering schools offered to me way back when and when people find out that I was discouraged from going to college they always try to get me to go. It gets old. I have money in the bank, no debt except a very modest mortgage, a waiting list of families that want us to work with them, get to spend every day with my wife, listen to podcasts and books all day, and basically visit friends every day in my work. A lot of people with degrees would kill for that.

With that said, my desire isn't to clean forever. I do worry about the physical toll at some point. It may just be a matter of finding a happy medium though, which is something I'm working on this year.

We've definitely had people look down on us. They're usually the same people that cancel service because they can no longer afford us. We can take the financial hit but they can't, which always strikes me.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

dubstepped

I clean houses and get tired of demeaning comments. I've done window washing as well. With that said, I didn't see any reason to take offense to the comment. He was just saying that you have to be super rich to buy a copy of the book and that window cleaners (many of whom are JWs) likely can't afford it. Nowhere did I see him demean anyone. In fact, you said above that many window cleaners are scraping to feed their kids. It's just a simple fact. Nobody seemed to be making fun of anyone to me. I certainly took no offense as one that's cleaned for most of my life.

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A perfect guidebook ? Really

by CovertsadJW in

if jehovah is a “ perfect “ god and our everlasting life is in the balance - why then does a perfect god give us a very imperfect guide book “ bible “ one that is open for interpretation hundreds - or more - different ways.

if you look at it as an instruction book , it most likely is the worst written instruction book in mankind’s history.

i cannot interpret an instruction book on “ flying a plane “ , it only has one interpretation as your life depends on it , but alas it was written by imperfect men.

dubstepped

Uh oh, somebody is starting to see that not only was faith in JWs worthless, but perhaps also god and/or the bible.

When I left the plan was to be an independent christian. Then I applied the same thought process to the bible and started learning what was behind it, started looking at the ridiculous stories in it, etc. It all came tumbling down. It's not what I wanted, but i did want to search for truth. The old testament god is one of endorsing rape and uses children as fodder for war. There are good priciples in amongst the ridiculous stories and anger of god.

Keep digging my friend. Remember though, god is the best father ever. He gives you a book of riddles and if you don't figure it out he kills you. Praise be.