I'm not saying that the articles aren't accurate, but this is from 2015, not anything new. They're still assholes but they aren't newly anointed assholes.
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REVEAL:THE CENTRE OF INVESTIGATING :Jehovah’s Witness leader says child sex abuse claims are ‘lies’
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara ininterestinng article.
also has more links in the article to read further stuff on jdubs.. https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witness-leader-says-child-sex-abuse-claims-are-lies/.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-use-1st-amendment-to-hide-child-sex-abuse-claims/.
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dubstepped
Yes, absolutely Zalkin.
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"Cults And Extreme Beliefs " on Foxtel On Demand Vict.Aust. has this been screened Elsewhere ?
by smiddy3 ina heads up .
for those in victoria australia this coming friday the 29th of march foxtel on demand is streaming the first of a series called "cults and extreme beliefs" and the first series deals with nxivm a notorious sex cult.. "emmy award winning journalist elizabeth vargas through first hand insights of survivors the series lifts the veil of secrecy on groups such as the jehovah`s witnesses ,children of god ,twelve tribes ,and the survivors .by analyzing how the sects use their influence to manipulate and control.the series reveals the insidious and sophisticated psychological techniques used by the groups to wield influence over otherwise intelligent ,sceptical and sensible adults.
it sounds like a show i would like to see about the jw`s however i don`t subscribe to foxtel .maybe it will be shown on some other network.. has anybody from other parts of the world seen this show ?
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dubstepped
Yes, I saw that in the US what seems like a year or so ago. It featured a lady named Romy and her story of sexual abuse. Barbara Anderson is in it as well. It was well done.
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My mom
by vienne ini'm annie, rachael's daughter.
mom died yesterday.
i can't find a way to delete her account here.
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Oh wow, I'm so sorry for your loss. It's very sobering. She seemed like a great lady and certainly brought value here. If there are any that write nasty comments about her, that's a reflection of then and their CULTure, not of your mom. It's really disgusting. Take care of yourself in this process as you're executing her desires. May it shed even more light on her life for you and who she was as you work through these things. She will be missed.
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Another example of abuse and the JWs.......
by dubstepped inepisode twenty seven - georgia is shunned by jehovah's witnesses.
georgia grew up in what jehovah’s witnesses often refer to as a “divided household”.
her mother was a faithful jw, her father violently opposed.
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Episode Twenty Seven - Georgia is shunned by Jehovah's Witnesses
Georgia grew up in what Jehovah’s Witnesses often refer to as a “divided household”. Her mother was a faithful JW, her father violently opposed. In this episode you’ll see how that opposition actually played into the hands of the Witnesses. You’ll see how someone from an abusive situation ended up in another abusive situation after being raped. Georgia faces PTSD after a life of abuse, secret Bible study drills, and the doctrine of an imminent fiery destruction of the world, but she does so with a sense of humor and going for her dreams in life.
You can listen on the podcast app of your choice such as iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Podbean, Podcast Republic (my personal choice), or many others.
You can also listen on my website at:
https://shunnedpodcast.com/episode-twenty-seven-georgia-is…/Or you can find the podcast on Youtube at:
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Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?
by Simon inclimate change ... who doesn't believe it?
crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.
it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.
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I'm glad you brought this up as it seems to be blasphemous to ever question this. I'm not saying that it's real or not as I've not spent time researching it myself, but it's the way that climate change or global warming or whatever it's marketed as today that makes me skeptical. It's too reminiscent of propaganda with end of the world scenarios that are just around the corner. My guess is that yes, this is happening and we are contributing but that forecasts of imminent doom are vastly emotional overstatements.
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And JW's are not allowed to think about sex? O_o
by nowawake14 ini thought this might catch your eye.
especially if you're a man.. they say thinking about sex is wrong!
that's biologically impossible.
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I was with you stuckinarut until the end with the restaurant analogy. Mouth stuff is not acceptable under any circumstances, lol.
Seriously though, their anti-sex stance really messes people up. Not only do they really devastate people that are gay, but they also manage to wreck the sexuality of the heteros in their midst.
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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.
by Indian Larry inlong question, but very important.. i can use some help.
my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.
i am fully faded for 10+ years.
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You asked for advice. Mine wasn't what you wanted to hear and you ran away. I will respond because 1. I'm not your daughter and you can't control me and 2. I care about your daughter and am challenging the paradigm that got her feeling depressed and suicidal while you seem to want to think that that very paradigm is all good and she just needs a therapist and a good PIMO friend.
I get why you would be concerned about her going onto sites where she might find things out for herself with her suicidal feelings. She didn't catch those feelings from going online though, she caught them from the life she's already living. Yes, isolation can make one feel suicidal, like living in a cult where you don't fit in and know you don't fit in especially once you start seeing through the bullshit for yourself. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. That doesn't mean that my situation is defining here either. You asked a question. Don't do that if you only want the answers that you want. You can't control everything.
Regardless, you don't get to control your adult daughter, you coming here asking for ways to help her is kind but also *could* be boundary crossing. Your daughter is an adult and needs to be able to handle herself and stand on her own two feet. She and she alone has to find her way out of this in her own way. It may not be your way, and your way may be unhealthy for her.
I fully admitted that I could be wrong in my assertions and tried to have a dialogue but you're so defensive (probably because something hit home) that you are willing to throw away ideas and discussion because you seem to be struggling to admit that you might just be in the wrong with some way in which you're handling this. So my question to you would be, is there anything maybe you could have done better? Is there anything you could do better now to be there for your daughter without controlling her to encourage her autonomy and growth as an adult human? I know that you read something about suicide on the internet, but might it be that there could be more to the story? Have you discussed with your daughter what her feelings are and how you could support her rather than deciding on your own what she needs and how to help?
What is it about someone questioning the situation that makes you run away? Could you be missing out on some potential benefit through the questions of others, something that could actually help your daughter that you care about? Why do you run from this honest and open questioning?
Do you trust your daughter? Do you feel like you've equipped her to make good decisions on her own? Why do you think that she'll come somewhere like this and be told to rip the bandaid off and be shunned like you said? Do you think that she will simply follow suit because someone on a forum told her to leave? What if disassociating and calling it quits on the JWs was best for her? Could you envision a scenario where that could be the case? How would you feel if she disassociated and was happier being free? Would you be able to be happy for her, or would you feel threatened in some way because she took a step that you haven't taken?
Yes, I am going to question you (and I know sometimes the questions are hard) and the situation. I do it to help, especially since you have a daughter feeling desperate enough to contemplate suicide. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity. Something clearly needs to change. You are her father. In this time she needs you, if you are truly healthy for her, which sadly often parents aren't. With or without you she'll find her own path if she doesn't feel so much shame from violating her promise that you pushed her to make to you regarding finding her own path by researching online. You don't get to be the only source of information for her, procuring and deciding what she can look at and what she can't, or even what she can or cannot handle. In fact, behavior, information, thought and emotional control are the BITE model exerted by cults on people that they want to control. We're all guilty of thinking that we know what's best for someone and trying to control things that aren't ours to control.
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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.
by Indian Larry inlong question, but very important.. i can use some help.
my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.
i am fully faded for 10+ years.
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Oh my, now I see that you made her promise not to research the organization online? I can't fathom that. It might actually help her to realize that she's not crazy in seeing what she sees that makes her so depressed. You have to let her be her and if that means she researches stuff she researches stuff. That's not up to you to decide. To make her promise? After saying that she sees the stuff they teach isn't scriptural? You're putting her on an island, and your non-stand taking self is leaving her on that island all alone.
Ugh, maybe I'm reading into this too much, but I see you reading in your own views and trying to push your daughter in ways that may not be good for her because you're projecting. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but what you're writing is all over the place. That may be because you're literally riding fences yourself. You want her to stay inauthentic and to hide the truth from her unless it comes from you. That's not healthy. This hiding of everything has to stop. It's time for everyone to put their big girl and boy panties on and to have some real heart to heart open talks putting it all out on the line instead of playing games. The fact that she came to you with this says that she trusts you on some level. But the way you're playing this where you let her keep going to meetings even though she doesn't want to go, the way you make her promise not to research, that doesn't sound like trustworthy behavior.
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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.
by Indian Larry inlong question, but very important.. i can use some help.
my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.
i am fully faded for 10+ years.
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dubstepped
So she "likes the brothers and sisters at the hall and they all love her, and is not having any personal problems", other than the fact that she contemplates suicide, is very depressed, and has pulled away from her friends. One of these things is not like the other.
You sound like a good guy and you care about your daughter and that's great. Your daughter is likely to face a lot of pain because if she truly wants to be herself and be free, she doesn't have the luxury of faking it like you and she doesn't have a good example of taking that stand. She doesn't just need one PIMO friend, you're fooling yourself. She is suicidal. That's what you wrote. She may feel trapped, or like she's worthless because the cult she's been kept around makes young people feel worthless. So she's already going through pain, you can't save her from that nor is it your place to.
Your best plan of action is to let her be her, support her in that, be a shoulder to cry on, point her to professional help outside of the cult, etc. If she wants worldly friends she should go get some. If she wants to date a worldly boy she should go do that. Be careful that you don't let your own compromised position with the cult impact how you steer her in these matters. She's got a long life ahead of her and she will have to try to pull off a fade unless and until her real life on the outside catches up to her, which it likely will because you're in a cult where that's kind of their modus operandi. You got to skirt by and you're lucky. Some are. Many are not. With her being so young she may likely have a hard time playing the long game. She could move far away and start over if she wanted, but of course she won't be able to be around you guys or the rest of the family.
Maybe it's just me, but although I see you as this loving dad with a kind heart I (fairly or unfairly) worry that you're a little too deep into the JW weeds to fully see what your daughter is saying to you. There were giant red flags of depression and suicide and that's as things are today. I know you're worried that if she left totally and was shunned that it would get worse but it might get better. My depression and anxiety nearly vanished when I put that cult behind me and disassociated. I haven't had suicidal ideations since leaving that garbage behind.
I really hope your daughter finds places like this or the exjw reddit or videos online or podcasts like I do or something so that she can feel less alone and start to find herself. I firmly believe that one of the biggest reasons for depression in life is living a life that is inauthentic and she's been doing that. If she can live a life true to who she is she will be far happier than playing games with cults.