So I just watched it. Holy crap that was depressing. I'm not sure if this new evangelical thing is better or worse. It was all so bleak, and the dad's didn't care about their kids one bit. It was all about serving the lord and worries about money while they did no work. The kids suffered. The shot of the little girl getting chemo and the dad just says "that's $78 dollars" while the documentarian tells her she did a good job and she smiles is the summary. All of the adults are narcissists that only care about saving their souls and repping the lord while their kids suffer. It's all so familiar, and so sad. In the end even the ones that left still look and act Amish just with what may be more extreme belief. Ugh.
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A film on the Amish and those that leave
by days of future passed init's a simple but telling film of two families that leave the amish.
they experience what jw's do when leaving.
the film maker has a slow but interesting view of what goes on in the amish religion as well as the challenges that the two families have.
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A film on the Amish and those that leave
by days of future passed init's a simple but telling film of two families that leave the amish.
they experience what jw's do when leaving.
the film maker has a slow but interesting view of what goes on in the amish religion as well as the challenges that the two families have.
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dubstepped
Interesting, I'll have to check it out. I have interviewed two Amish for my podcast, and a Mennonite. According to the one Amish person I have edited and up officially on the podcast, Torah, there is an issue with Amish leaving and joining super conservative kind of militant Christian religions. I guess it makes sense that they may be drawn to fundamentalist religions and only get partially free. I'm commenting in part to mark this. Hopefully I'll be able to get some time to watch and remember to. Thanks for sharing this.
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My Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain Moment...
by HiddenPimo inthis is my first post.
i am physically in and mentally out.
well i will not be offering a tl/dr version as that would be too difficult and it would also be an oversimplification of how i got to see the man behind the curtain.. my story begins at the 2016 regional convention of jehovah's witnesses.
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I have mixed feelings about the shunning thing. What if all of those people jumped now and thousands upon thousands were suddenly faced with having to shun loved ones immediately. I wonder how many it would wake up to the ugliness that they're really involved in.
Then again, whether as presently constituted or if shunning were done away with the doctrine and culture dehumanizes those that leave to an extent that most would probably react no differently. It's a fascinating topic. It also gets into the nature of belief and how it often exists against all evidence.
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My Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain Moment...
by HiddenPimo inthis is my first post.
i am physically in and mentally out.
well i will not be offering a tl/dr version as that would be too difficult and it would also be an oversimplification of how i got to see the man behind the curtain.. my story begins at the 2016 regional convention of jehovah's witnesses.
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dubstepped
I couldn't leave quietly either. Disassociating was that immediate end game that both my wife and I wanted. I love hearing what woke you up, and how it touched off all of those other things that we all put up on the shelf until that one more thing happens that makes it all come crashing down. I recently interviewed someone that woke up because of the new songs and song book. Music was big for her and that was the feather that landed on her shelf and broke it loose.
Live your life man. Life free. Do you and be happy! Welcome to the forum!
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Dating question from a bible student
by Biblestudent1 ini have done bible study for about four months now.
the married couple who do it with me are lovely.
i have attended meetings for about two months.
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JWs require chaperones for dating. JWs don't date outside of their kind per their interpretation of Biblical mandate. JWs only date for marriage.
More important than the dating angle, I must ask if you really know what you're going into. Yes, you study with a lovely couple. That lovely couple would let their child die refusing blood transfusions, would never let that child have friends outside the JW group to any real extent. That lovely JW couple would shun their child, family, friends, or each other if one ever left that faith.
Please realize that you are unknowingly dealing with what amounts to a "high control religion", a cult. We've all been there. We've all lost families. We've all realized that much of what we were taught were lies and propaganda.
Please, for your own sake, don't get wrapped up in the cult, nor a cult member. Your life will never be the same. Do your own research with an open mind.
Oh, and welcome! :)
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Beroean Pickets- please offer encouragement
by Lightgrowsbrighter infor many who have left jw.org, there is still a spiritual need and faith in the bible.
beroean pickets is one group/website where serious bible research and commentary, weekly critical reviews of wt studies, as well expose's of flawed wt opinion/doctrine- all backed by the bible- can be considered.
this vast amount of work and research is all done by just a small group of our volunteer brothers and sisters.
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Most people don't know who Eric is. I know of him and read his stuff early on before becoming atheist but I seriously doubt this is going to cause waves of negative publicity or backfire on them big time. He's not thar important in the grand scheme of things, just like I'm not, neither are any of as activists. The people in the cult don't know or care who we are. 99.9%of the world outside doesn't care biut us particularly either. So I'm not sure how this is going to make much impact outside of Eric and those adjacent to him.
I'm glad he's done what he's done. It's helped people. Maybe there's someone that follows his work that this pushes over the edge to leave the cult. If so, great! But people run around acting like this or that minor thing is going to bring the Borg down. Not even close. They got away with 1975 and overlapping generations. This is nothing.
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Beroean Pickets- please offer encouragement
by Lightgrowsbrighter infor many who have left jw.org, there is still a spiritual need and faith in the bible.
beroean pickets is one group/website where serious bible research and commentary, weekly critical reviews of wt studies, as well expose's of flawed wt opinion/doctrine- all backed by the bible- can be considered.
this vast amount of work and research is all done by just a small group of our volunteer brothers and sisters.
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How was he not disfellowshipped already? This shouldn't be a surprise. I'm sorry it's coming to this as it isn't pleasant, but it should be expected.
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New Episode - 28 - Yolanda and Jehovah's Witnesses
by dubstepped inepisode twenty eight - yolanda and jehovah's witnesses.
i really had to think about how to describe this episode.
a word kept popping out at me and that’s “tough”.
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Episode Twenty Eight - Yolanda and Jehovah's WitnessesI really had to think about how to describe this episode. A word kept popping out at me and that’s “tough”. Yolanda faced verbal, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse inside the cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but she comes through with this tough and resilient spirit. Yolanda isn’t officially shunned and we’ve done things to protect her identity. She has become a haven for some shunned people in her local area.Her story needs to be told because it’s indicative of a lot of what goes on behind closed doors inside the organization. They used to talk about a scripture that referred to whitewashed graves that looked nice but held dead men’s bones inside. There is so much in this story that is going on that will show you inside just another JW family, and you’ll see how some things like sexual abuse are perpetuated through the veil of secrecy in their hierarchy.You can listen on the podcast app of your choice such as iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Podbean, Podcast Republic (my personal choice), or many others.You can also listen on my website at:Or you can listen on Youtube at: -
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I think I made up my mind
by paradiseseeker ina month ago i travelled alone to italy for three days and i had the opportunity to visit the beautiful florence and re-visit many parts of rome.. but most importantly, i had the opportunity to stay alone and think about my situation and to make up my mind.. i've had very clear for almost 5 years that i will eventually leave the religion, but i couldn't decide when.. but now i know : i will leave on april 20th, the day after the memorial.. that day i will talk to my parents (this is by far the hardest thing to do) and soon afterwards i will talk to my closest friends, then i will send my disassociation letter.
i know that i will let them down, i will hurt them, most probably some of them will cry... but i need to live coherently for the first time in my life.
i'm sure that living in this contradiction is affecting and will affect my mental health and it's time for me to help myself instead of others.
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My wife and I disassociated. It was the best thing we ever did. No more playing their games, never again will we have to have family pressuring us to go to meetings or elders popping up to visit. One day we were in, the next we were totally free.
Yes, the reality is that you'll lose your family. This is not a decision to be taken lightly. You cannot un-ring that bell. Once you put a bullet in the thing it is dead. But also, it is dead, and you can go live life. Most of our families are deeply toxic and honestly sometimes it's not bad to have that forced distance. If they get healthy we'll be happy to be there for them.
There's a stigma against disassociation by those that have never done it. I've done it, my wife did it, and I've helped others to as well, IF that's their choice. There's a certain something to living life in complete truth. We took a stand when we became JWs, and we took a stand when we left.
So whatever you do, do you. This is your life. Live it the way that you want, and you don't owe anyone anything.
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Please help.... depressed jw teen
by huniepie ini think i’m going insane.... i’m 17 years old and being raised in a jw household.
i really want friends and a boyfriend but i can’t have that because my parents are jw and i’m also homeschooled.
they are those jw parents that refuse to let me go to public school because of bad influences.
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It's such a tough place to be in. Another poster here was in a similar situation. Her parents had kept her from other people by home schooling her. The difference with her is that she wasn't baptized. Her parents were really pushing her to as she was nearing 18. I don't know how it ended up with her. Regardless, ultimately you have to live your life and you can't take responsibility for their reactions. If the family is torn apart at some point because you go live your life then your family is putting themselves above your happiness and that's no family that you want to be a part of, even if it doesn't feel good at the time. Obviously we all want to have normal families. Most of us didn't.
For now I'd say that you should probably just keep playing the game while making an exit plan. Once you're 18 (in the US) your parents have no say. Do you have relatives somewhere that you could go live with and tell your story to? That may be enough to get you a new start. I think some look for student loans and try to go to college and stay on campus to get away, though I'm not a huge fan of debt. Still, it may be a way to get started in life.
Pioneering since you were nine is insane. Getting baptized at eight is insane. Your parents should see that know that's too much but they're cult victims too.
Obviously you want to go live a normal life, and you should get that chance. It will be up to you to make it happen. We can only give some advice. Aside from living another life, a normal one, please be sure you really look into and deconstruct the beliefs that you've been pumped full of. If you don't they can come back up later and sabotage your efforts.I'm so sorry that you had to live that life. My heart aches every time I see a kid out in field service because I know what they're up against.