an interesting animation about cupboards and drawers.
instruction manual for life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaiprrzvnjg.
What a great video...thanks for posting it Gladring. I would send that to my neighbors who are Baptists and who are very judgemental and angry, but I know it would fall on deaf ears. After watching the video, I realize now that it is just fear on their part. Very sad...
exjdub
i am in good standing (of sorts) with the wts.
i have not gone out in service for 10 years - i have not been to a meeting in about 2 years - i skipped last years memorial.
my dad is a pioneer and elder.
thebigdebate,
You mentioned the following points:
You started your topic off by asking if you should let your father study with the kids, but then it shifted to how that decision will affect you. It is understandable that you would be conflicted and worried about being DF'd, however our responsibility to our children is paramount, regardless of the outcome for us as parents.
Although it sometimes causes us pain to do the right thing it is never wrong to protect our children at our expense. What parent (at least a normal loving parent) would not put their life in danger by running in front of a car to push their child out of harms way? I see your situation in a similar way. To protect your children you may decide to sacrifice your own feelings, fears, and perhaps your standing with the Org. As difficult as that may be, if that is what will protect them from something that you have decided is harmful that is what you must do regardless of the outcome to you. Please don't let fear guide your decision. That being said, I hope you are able to find a way to extricate yourself from the situation without causing yourself harm and I think there has been some good advice from others that will help you to do so.
By the way, you didn't mention the ages of your children, but please keep in mind that if you think that your children would never "fall for this cult" you may be underestimating the power of family pressure, "love", and the constant mind screwing that will go on. Children often bear the burden of not wanting to dissapoint and it will be awful difficult for them to be placed in a spot where they will not want to dissapoint their grandpa, while at the same time being indoctrinated with the view that their parents will lose their lives in the Great Tribulation. We know it's hogwash, but they are impressionable and will have trouble filtering that through their world. Peace.
exjdub
my new year's resolution is to make the lifestyle change to the vegan-pure vegetarian diet: no animal derived foods.. it is a change i have considered before on different occasions.
i didn't stick with the diet in the past due to lack of information, or perhaps the abundance of misinformation available on the optimum diet.
i've never been grossly overweight, probably never over 170 lbs.
Dr. D'Adamo has written books on blood type predispositions, such as A blood types being best suited for a vegetarian diet and O blood types suited to be meat eaters. I am an "A" and have found that I function best with a vegetarian based diet, however staying on a vegetarian only diet is very difficult when you have a job that requires you to travel all of the time, so as much as I too would like to be vegetarian it is very difficult.
exjdub
there are several places on the internet where the hypocrisy of jehovah's witnesses is on full display.
what i am about to write is not new, but it is on my mind, so i thought i would write about it.
(disclaimer, i am an agnostic writing this, using the bible against jw lies.
Posting to bookmark...
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2008/261108taser.htm.
we should start worrying about this in the uk as the taser gun is being used as an instrument of torture against non violent people already in the usa, the land of the 'very unfree' and our own government plans to arm 10,000 police officers with this self same instrument of torture.. someone tell me that the lunatics are not running the asylum!.
if anything....this proves it.. i know there are other people such as myself with hidden heart conditions who would die immeadiately is one of these were ever used on them.. what's going on in this crazy world?.
I think the "poor judgement" is on the part of the big ego suspect who is to arrogant or stupid to listen to reason in the first place.
Thanks Hillbilly, you just made my point for me! Regardless of whether a suspect is arrogant or stupid, they still have rights. Of course when people like you have no problem taking away personal rights based on your personal judgement of whether someone is "stupid" or "arrogant", you might think what you said was reasonable. Additionally, regardless of poor judgement on the part of a suspect we hold our law enforcement to a higher standard, so it doesn't matter if a suspect's judgement is poor as the police officer is supposed to respond with responsibility and a lack of "arrogance" and "stupidity" with everyone.
"Walk away from a situation he can't control"..so If you dont want to pull over, take a ticket, give a urine sample ... and pitch a hissey fit the police should walk away? After all what should we expect from an egomaniacal law officer with weapons. Yep...he should just walk away and let the problem just go on it's merry way.
With this statement you have used exaggeration to try and blow the point up, however let's bring the point back to the ground. I never said "he should let the problem go on it's merry way". If the person who does not comply is doing something that is not within his right to do, there are legal consequences for him and the law has the right to prosecute him for a violation of law. The law does not have the right to taser someone just because the person refused to give a urine sample or even if they "swallowed drugs."
exjdub
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2008/261108taser.htm.
we should start worrying about this in the uk as the taser gun is being used as an instrument of torture against non violent people already in the usa, the land of the 'very unfree' and our own government plans to arm 10,000 police officers with this self same instrument of torture.. someone tell me that the lunatics are not running the asylum!.
if anything....this proves it.. i know there are other people such as myself with hidden heart conditions who would die immeadiately is one of these were ever used on them.. what's going on in this crazy world?.
I think that there are a lot of idiots who do the wrong thing, these are not isolated incidents. I wouldn't equate using a taser, as opposed to a gun, as saving lives as I think that there is a different mindset with a taser due to the fact that it is supposed to be non-lethal. Would the cop have shot the guy in the hospital bed for "non-compliance"? I don't think so. But he had no problem with using the taser. Same thing with the guy on the platform. Is it protocol to shoot someone standing on a ledge? No, but the officer felt it was the right thing to do because the taser is "non-lethal". The taser is being used as a "compliance" tool rather than a last resort, which results in poor judgement when some big ego police officer is not skillful enough to reason with someone, or if he is not smart enough to walk away from a situation that he can't control...like the person in the hospital bed. If police don't have the judgement to use a powerful weapon properly and want to use it to bolster their ego, they shouldn't be in a position of authority in the first place. But because just about anyone can become a police officer we get a lot of people who wish to bend people to their will, rather than making sure that people are complying with the law. There is a big difference...
exjdub
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2008/261108taser.htm.
we should start worrying about this in the uk as the taser gun is being used as an instrument of torture against non violent people already in the usa, the land of the 'very unfree' and our own government plans to arm 10,000 police officers with this self same instrument of torture.. someone tell me that the lunatics are not running the asylum!.
if anything....this proves it.. i know there are other people such as myself with hidden heart conditions who would die immeadiately is one of these were ever used on them.. what's going on in this crazy world?.
That was not the story I originally thought of...the story above is an additonal event...
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2008/261108taser.htm.
we should start worrying about this in the uk as the taser gun is being used as an instrument of torture against non violent people already in the usa, the land of the 'very unfree' and our own government plans to arm 10,000 police officers with this self same instrument of torture.. someone tell me that the lunatics are not running the asylum!.
if anything....this proves it.. i know there are other people such as myself with hidden heart conditions who would die immeadiately is one of these were ever used on them.. what's going on in this crazy world?.
POSTED: 6:21 pm EDT April 18, 2005 UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT April 18, 2005
ORLANDO, Fla. -- For the first time, an Orlando police officer is facing criminal charges for misusing a Taser gun.
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An affidavit reveals the officer used the weapon to obtain a urine sample from a handcuffed suspect, WESH 2 News reported.
The information filed Monday charges Officer Peter Linnenkamp with misdemeanor battery, and prosecutors said some of the best evidence against Linnenkamp comes from his own report on the incident.
Linnenkamp is facing one criminal count of battery for using a Taser gun on Antonio Wheeler while he was handcuffed to a Florida Hospital gurney.
"Based on what we have as evidence, this was not a safety issue. This was a compliance issue to provide urine. So that rises to a level of a criminal act. In this case, it's a misdemeanor battery," said state attorney's spokesman Randy Means.
In his report on the March 5 incident, Linnenkamp admitted to shocking Wheeler with a Taser gun twice.
"Only minimum force necessary was used. This attempt was deemed necessary by the (medical) staff," Linnenkamp wrote in the report.
"There are times when people have medical problems that we have to make sure people get the treatment they need," said Lt. Brian Gilliam, of the Orlando Police Department.
Wheeler told police he had swallowed crack cocaine, so they took him to the hospital. But Means said concern over Wheeler's medical condition was not reason enough for the officer to use a Taser gun on a restrained suspect.
"This was not within the scope of his duty. The Taser is supposed to be for compliance, officer safety and public safety," Means said.
"He's a good officer, but we'll just have to wait and see if his judgment was poor that night," Gilliam said.
The charge carries a maximum of one year in prison, but due to the veteran officer's clean record, if convicted, he'll likely face diversion, a fine and perhaps some retraining.
He'll be notified by summons and won't have to be arrested or booked into jail.
The Orlando Police Department has one of the strictest Taser gun policies in Central Florida. Just last year, the policy was rewritten and now requires that the suspect be actively resisting arrest before a Taser gun can be used.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2008/261108taser.htm.
we should start worrying about this in the uk as the taser gun is being used as an instrument of torture against non violent people already in the usa, the land of the 'very unfree' and our own government plans to arm 10,000 police officers with this self same instrument of torture.. someone tell me that the lunatics are not running the asylum!.
if anything....this proves it.. i know there are other people such as myself with hidden heart conditions who would die immeadiately is one of these were ever used on them.. what's going on in this crazy world?.
Most Police ask repeatedly and give many warnings before using a taser or spray....why should they risk injury....if your in the wrong bad luck! Lay down on the ground or move when they tell you to.
Witness 007,
If this is true, then please explain why a man in the Orlando area was tasered in his hospital bed, handcuffed to the bed mind you, until he died? This was not an isolated event. The FL police love tasers and were using them improperly all the time in the Orlando area. Perhaps because you are in Australia you are a bit naive about the police in the USA. I have lost respect for law enforcement over the years due to the "entitlement" they feel, not only while on the job but also in their private lives, that make them think that they can do anything without consequences.
exjdub
my wife and i are having trouble getting past the way animals are treated for our food supply and also the unhealthy things that are introduced into our food supply.
we have also discussed the fact that if our meat, chicken, pork, and turkey was not packaged in little vacuum packed trays where we could exercise a large amount of cognitive dissonance, we would not be able to eat animals.
i was hoping someone would have some favorite suggestions for books and resources to begin the journey toward vegetarianism.
Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it. Scully, Betterdaze, Beksbks, Loubelle,Sweetstuff, and Eyeslice...thanks for the recommendations. I will look at the reading material that you suggested. Thanks for the recipes as well!
exjdub
