Posts by ohiocowboy

Yes, but the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution also states that cruel and unusual punishments shall not be inflicted upon a person. I do agree that it would be a very tough road to pursue with no guarantee of outcome, but if enough attention were garnered by people, a compromise may be eventually agreed upon which would be a good start.

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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?

by besty in

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recently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.

discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.

questions are asked.

ohiocowboy

"proof" in any environment where people are honestly seeking it, and not pretending to seek it

Yes, honestly seeking is the key. You can show a person 100% undeniable proof of something, but unless they are like you said "honestly seeking," honest with one's self, and open to hearing the truth (no matter how much it may hurt or compromise one's previous belief in a matter) it unfortunately just won't sink in with some people.

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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!

by ohiocowboy in

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plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.

jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.

ohiocowboy

Truthhurts13, this thread is about an adorable couple married for 75 years and the joy and love that they shared with each other for so long. Yes, the Watchtower itself and some unscrupulous JW's have a lot to answer to in regards to Child Abuse and other misdeeds, so please feel free to start your own thread about that topic if you so desire, as it is a topic very worthy of conversation. But, to compare this couple to Hitler and judging them without knowing anything about them or what was in their hearts is just too much. This thread is meant to celebrate love and life, and many people have been encouraged and have smiled from reading this story. Can we please keep this thread happy and positive? I would appreciate it very much!

To the other posters, thank you again for your positive comments about this couple. JW or not, I bet they had a lot of amazing stories and adventures over the past 75 years!

I couldn't even begin to imagine how either one of them felt at the thought of being without one another, and I can see how easy it would be for the other person to die so soon after losing their life long love. I feel it was a blessing that they died within hours of each other after living such full lives.

Dagney, thank you for the link to the interview, it adds a lot to this thread!

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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!

by ohiocowboy in

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plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.

jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.

ohiocowboy

Wow! Thank you for all of the comments!!! It's neat that a few of you even knew the happy couple and had very nice things to say about them. It shows us once again that it's not the JW's themselves that we don't like, but rather it's the Watchtower that causes the divisions and hate amongst people due to their shunning doctrines.

Imagine how even more incredible their lives could have been without the restrictions imposed by the Watchtower! True love knows no bounds...

I'm glad that I helped make your day a little nicer by sharing this heartwarming story. With all the negativity in the world lately, such stories are sorely needed and welcomed!

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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!

by ohiocowboy in

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plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.

jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.

ohiocowboy

Hello Violia!!! Yes, true soulmates are harder and harder to find nowadays, and it is refreshing to find couples who take their commitment and love for each other very seriously.

I'm glad that you liked the article!

Take care!!!

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Emotional Abuse -what it does to children..!!!!!!

by Jang in

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emotional abuse is the systematic diminishment of another.

it may be intentional or subconscious (or both), but it is always a. course of conduct, not a single event.

it is designed to reduce a child's self-concept to the point where the victim considers.

ohiocowboy

Thanks Zound for bringing this post back to light after so long!

Years ago, I was riding on a bus, and I saw an advertisement about abuse, and in bog bold words it said "Words can hit harder than a fist" It is so true. Physical abuse can leave us with fleshly scars, but emotional abuse can scar our very soul and spirit.

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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!

by ohiocowboy in

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friends

plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.

jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.

ohiocowboy

Good evening, Gypsy Sam! Thank you for your comment! Yes, it is a sweet story. 75 years!

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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!

by ohiocowboy in

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friends

plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.

jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.

ohiocowboy

Plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!

JW or not, It's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed

Picture of the couple at link...

Their friends and family agree -- if two people ever were "made for each other," it was Helen and Les Brown.

Both were born on the same day, Dec. 31, 1918. Helen and Les were high school sweethearts who celebrated their 75th wedding anniversary this year. It would be their last; Helen died on July 16, and Les died the next day, July 17.

They were 94.

"It was a real love match, wasn't it," their oldest son, Les Jr., said. "They were together every day for 75 years."

Daniel, the couple's youngest son, agreed.

"My mom often said she didn't want to see my father die, and he didn't want to live without her," Daniel said.

The two boys, sitting in their parents' Belmont Heights home, said their parents met at Huntington Park High School and eloped on Sept. 19, 1937. They were married against their own parents' wishes. Helen was from a working-class family, while Les was from a more wealthy family, and both sides of their family thought the love would never last between them.

But it did.

Helen and Les moved to Long Beach in 1963. Helen was a housewife who had a knack for buying and selling area properties, and Les owned a photography studio, serving as a photographer for the Navy. His father, too, was a photographer.

Despite being born on the same day, the Browns were two very different people, according to their sons, who said their mom was very strict and their dad was more laid back. And, like all married couples, they had some issues to work through during the years.

They were Jehovah's Witnesses, a faith that strengthened their marriage, the sons said. They reaffirmed their love for one another daily.

Besides spending time at Kingdom Hall for worship, the longtime Long Beach residents -- who had seven grandchildren -- were well known for taking in-state road trips together and were frequently found at Ma N' Pa Grocery, a corner store on Roycroft Avenue and Colorado Street. They also were close friends with many of their neighbors.

"They loved California, and they loved Belmont Shore and Belmont Heights," Les Jr. said. "They wouldn't leave ... And, Ma N' Pa Grocery treated them like royalty. Mom was there every day. That was her pantry."

One family friend, Bob Brobst, who belonged to the same congregation, had known Helen and Les for nearly a decade.

"Like the Bible says, 'They were as one,' " Brobst said, adding that he will always remember how compatible his friends were as a couple.

Les, who had Parkinson's disease, and Helen, who had developed stomach cancer, will have a joint memorial service. The public service will take place at 2 p.m. Saturday at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, 5852 Belgrade Ave., Garden Grove. All are welcome.