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  What Was Your General Impression of Elders?

  by minimus in

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  did you like them?

  hate them?

  fear them?

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  Fleur

  When I was young I was terrified of them, Of course they were men. I was terrified of all men thanks to my dad then. All men except my grandfather, who ironically was an elder but never inspired fear of any kind, oh, well except that of disappointing him. I would rather have died than see disappointment in that mans eyes.

  The general elder population? I just realized that they were clueless as to what it was like to be a woman in the organization. Just totally clueless.

  Some were superior in attitude. Super-fine some used to say. But mostly, I realized when I left that there were two sorts: the sort that are pompous and company men; and those who are tortured, lose sleep over what they see, and a lot of them I know now, eventually end up here.

  Some are just good guys trying desperately to justify what they see. They have a long way to fall and a rough landing when they get there :(

  essie
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  Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

  by minimus in

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  i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

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  Fleur

  Sheep-like ones.

  Honest-hearted ones.

  Theocratic Order.

  man, i'm getting queasy here.
  
  Spiritual arrangement

  Shepherding call

  Upbuilding association

  Nancy, that article almost killed me laughing LOL. I saw it the other day on the official site and my husband was just in tears laughing.

  I'm so happy to now be among the really honest hearted ones here at JWD who no longer submit to Theocratic Order! (Guess that was me having to say something aposta-cy) LOL

  Oh, here's one more... "Oh may we ever live up to our name"

  mungo your posts are hilarious (hope I spelled that right)
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  What would be the hardest thing to give up if returning the the 'truth'?

  by confuzzed in

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  2. beliefs

  for me it would be smoking, drinking, certain movies/tv shows and my favourite music (which includes eminem :p)

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  Fleur

  Blondie nailed it on the head for me.

  The hardest thing to give up? Myself. My life. Because it would surely kill me to go back. But even harder than giving up my life, would be giving up my child's future. She has so many choices that I never did. I couldn't take that away from her now, not for anyone, not even my family.

  essie
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  Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

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  Fleur

  oh god, i'm crying over here...

  "Most kind and loving heavenly father Jehovah. " and they say not to repeat prayers! Reading that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

  Loved the "Please be seated" too. and that rousing rap up of a DC talk LOL

  Here are a couple more for your cringing/enjoyment...

  "There is nothing on earth like the Worldwide Brotherhood"

  "There is so much love among The Friends"

  "Don't use the assembly for smiling, styling, and profiling!"

  "Goodmorning, I'm just stopping by briefly..."

  "No, I'm not going to college/dating/breathing because I'm going to Bethel."

  thanks for the memories...I think!

  (p.s. someone, a newbie said a ways back 'is this an apostate site?" honey, there are all kinds here. Judge for yourself, and welcome!

  ~Essie

  (who I guess failed to have Faith Like That Of Abraham...)
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  Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

  by minimus in

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  i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

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  Fleur

  We have to do things Jehovah's way. Wait on Jehovah.

  Bad associations spoil useful habits.

  *gag*
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  I went to the memorial service for Talia Balletti.

  by hubert in

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  2. child-abuse

  i sent a pm to one of the forum assistants telling him this, and he said i should post and let everyone know how it went.. i didn't want to do this until mario posted first, because it's about his daughter, not mine.

  but, i know all you wonderful people out there are waiting for some news on the memorial service, and i think mario is too grief stricken to be able to write right now.

  sometimes these things hit you harder after it's all over, because now you have more time to think about it.

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  Fleur

  hubert, you really did us all proud. Thank you.

  Mario, thank you for posting and know that our hearts continue to be with you and Marina day in and day out.

  The blanket I donated in Talia's honor should be in the hands of a sick child by now. If you want any info as to which particular hospital it went to, PM me and I will tell you where it went.

  big hugs

  essie
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  Go Figure

  by redskymedic in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, after browsing through this website and then taking the search for the real 'truth' about the wts into my own hands, i decided to confront my jw mother.

  i stuck with the date-changing (1914, 1975, 2000) and asked what the explanation was since i have been gone for over 10 years now.

  she was quiet for a minute, then told me there was an explanation but she would have to look it up.

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  Fleur

  aww, Red. I know how frustrating that is. I have personally given up trying to explain anything to my mother (and other members of the family who speak to me, which are very few). There's no point.

  She doesn't hear it, anyway. She said that she is sticking with the organization no matter what. I know that she doesn't know how else to live or process what happens in life. It has to go through the "Jehovah is going to fix everything " filter or she just can't handle it.

  I know, though, that on some subconcious level, she knows it's a lie. Because it's eating her alive. I'm watching her health deteriorate. She looks so much older than she is. She's so frail.

  But she would rather die 'in the truth' than live with the knowledge that it wasn't true after all. So I respect her, and no matter how she baits me, I won't discuss it with her anymore. It just makes us both feel worse.

  hugs

  essie
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  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

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  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

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  Fleur

  holy crap. That's a lot of people not publishing lol.

  Once again, Brooklyn makes it OUR fault if we can't grasp their double talk and fairy tales. If we find it hard to grasp. Give me a freaking break.

  No, WTS, we didn't find it hard to grasp. We opened our eyes and realized that lies are always harder to understand than simple truth. Our BS-ometers are off the charts.

  Hard to grasp. That happens when people tell multiple stories to cover their tracks.

  essie
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  Encouraged NOT to have kids

  by JustTickledPink in

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  i was just thinking about the publisher stats and the birth rate, that was mentioned.. do you all remember in the 80's at the assemblies everyone was encouraged not to have children, to spend their time pioneering, because at armeggedon and in the time of the "tribulation" that it would be difficult with small kids.... to wait until the new system.. i remember a couple that pioneered and she really wanted kids, so her husband made her a deal that they had to pioneer for 5 more years and if the "end" hadn't come yet, they could have kids.

  i think they were reaching 30. i do remember 5 years went by and they had a son, that was probably 15 years ago.

  can you imagine the people that followed the advice and now are too old to have kids, but spent plenty of time pioneering?.

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  Fleur

  that has been an ongoing theme since the 30's I think - Raymond Franz lists that as one of his great regrets as a witness in SoCF.

  This is something that I know was going on in the 50's...my parents were told they shouldn't marry OR have children.

  They're grandparents now, thanks to me. But none of my siblings ever had kids. Thank god they'd be horrible parents. But anyway, imagine if you followed that, and you were in your sixties now with no kids or grandkids. I know it happened to a lot of people. They must be heartbroken. Not only no retirement funds to fall back on but who will care for them in their old age? Certainly not the 'loving brotherhood'.

  This is something that disillusions my mom so much. She keeps saying "We weren't supposed to get old. Now my kids have gray hair. When it is coming?"

  And she wonders why I don't believe every word coming from the WTS.

  Talk about adding burdens to the people. Pharisees! They're dispicable.

  ~essie
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  So What Is The Point Of It All?

  by Swan in

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  we talk it to death.

  every subject.

  is it really of any benefit to you to let it out here?

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  Fleur

  Like anything else in life, it is what you make of it, and what you take away from it.

  People stay as long as they are getting something out of it, or giving something to it. For some, helping others is its own reward. Others are here because even though the discussions may seem repetitive to us, we know that it's always day 1 for someone; they're just starting the journey. We are just a bit farther down the road. For others, the pain keeps coming up fresh as day one because JW family is a constant in their lives.

  It's all about the journey. We are all seeing the same geography, but everyone sees something different in the view. I'm here to lend my voice, just in case it might help anyone out there who is listening. Hearing it myself reminds me how far I've come.

  hugs

  essie