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May 15, 2013 WT up on jw.org now

by Gayle in

has article, page 32 which states about their 'neutrality' policy.

although our position as christian neutrals may not have been fully understood by our brothers nearly a century ago, they sought to please jehovah god.

this is aggravating, as the wts had 'policy' for so many years that jws could not do 'alternative' service.

fiddler

So I guess Judge Rutherford also didn't fully understand the issue of neutrality??

What about the 1933 'Declaration' to Hitler that the was written up in the 1934 YB

http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1934_Year_Book.pdf (I think it starts on about pg. 131.)

JW apologists will say that it had no politics nor anti-Semetism suggested in it but I beg to differ. I came to the same conclusions as James Penton. a former elder, who brought this issue up with the governing body in the 1980's and got disfellowshipped. I guess it created quite a stir in Canada! He seemed to have been still a very active Christian and got his own little breakaway group going but regardless........he made some valid points about that declaration. http://ed5015.tripod.com/JwJamesPenton108.htm

and excerpt here:

The Watch Tower Society has long attempted a cover-up of the most dishonest sort. While your organization properly censures other religious communities for their compromise with and support of Nazism, ittries to claim that Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jehovah's Witnesses alone were never guilty of such compromise. Yet history tells a different story. The "Erklarung" or "Declaration" published by the Watch Tower Society at the Berlin Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses in June 1933 is, in itself, clear evidence that the Society’s president, Judge J. F. Rutherford, as accompanied by N.H. Knorr, manifested anti-Semitism, hostility to Great Britain and the United States and to the League of Nations. Furthermore, the "Erklarung" clearly states that Jehovah's Witnesses supported the aims of the Third Reich.
In addition to the "Erklarung", there is the evidence of the Society's letter to Hitler sent on or immediately following June 25, 1933, and the public statements made about the Berlin convention by Conrad Franke in lectures through out Germany some years ago. All of this I have made public in my book Apocalypse Delayed (1985) – which I know has been read at Watch Tower headquarters both from court documents and inside reports – and in the spring 1990 issue of The Christian Quest. So it is impossible for responsible members of your organization not to know the facts. Thus the August 22 Awake! is nothing short of an historical abomination.
I am aware of the feeble attempt of the 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses to exculpate Judge Rutherford and the Watch Tower Society in Brooklyn by claiming that the Society's German branch overseer, Paul Balzereit, "weakened" the "Erklarung". But the "Erklarung" or "Declaration" was published in both the German and English versions of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses as an official statement of the Watch Tower Society. So it is impossible to believe that it was not sanctioned by Rutherford and the man who succeeded him as the Society’s president, N H Knorr. Therefore, the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses of that time attempted to commit what amounted to spiritual whoredom with the Third Reich in the fashion of the two sisters, Oholah and Oholibah of Ezekiel 23, according to the Society’s own teachings

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Compiling List-Trivial Items People Are Counseled Against

by love2Bworldly in

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i hope this is not a repeat of past threads and i hope to get a lot of response.

i am compiling info of how people are treated within the wts.

i just read the post about a person being counseled for having baby shower games.

fiddler

Mostly I think I ignorred the idiots who made comments on all manner of personal stuff not their business but I do remember a few:

Moved from desert SW to Pacific NW in the 1970's and was told my dresses were too short......lowered the hems

Moved back to Arizona in the 1980's and was told my dresses were too long......laughed it off and wore what I wanted.

In Arizona the congos I went to also didn't insist on nylons in the summer although maybe that has changed. I NEVER wore nylons in summer. I had a good tan. The brothers were supposed to wear their suit jackets in service but most didn't if they were working past 10:30 AM.......too damn hot. AND the first thing that always got ripped off the minute my husband got in the car after meeting was the neck strangler.

Speaking of my husband, one time at a dinner an elder made the comment that brothers with ANY facial hair usually were weak from his observation. My husband was sitting there with his neat little mustache that he'd had for years (brother worked with him and had never noticed it!) so I pointed it out and in a way that effectively shut down that conversation. My husband kept his mustache.

An elders wife told me that getting a second piercing in my earlobe was a homosexual thing. At the time my understanding was gay guys wore only one earring and I forget which ear it was in but whatever, I got my second piercing anyway.

Sheesh, no wonder I'm no longer a JW but honestly.......I thought I was a good little witness back in the day. I do have to say that I must have attended more 'liberal' congos most of the time because most of the ones I was in we'd have a good laugh about those elderettes and and co's that presummed to make none of their business comments for everyone. Also, the young sisters were usually like a fashion parade at assemblies and memorials. The young guys had it harder to be fashionable I think.

One last thing...........what's with the white shirt thing? Isn't that a Mormon thing?

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Bombing of KH in Sydney australia late 1980's ?

by zeb in

i recall the moment i heard of this on the radio.

but there was little mention of it in months oryears later.. does anyone know what became of the victims?.

fiddler

I used to have a tape recording of the talk given by a CO at the time.........I only remember thinking he sounded like 'Crocodile Dundee'

It was a full accounting of the event. I also remember the CO guy swearing at one point ON THE RECORDING about all the calls coming in..........they were all a little sleep deprived or something like that. Anyways, I've also always wondered whatever happened with that CO. He seemed like a pretty likeable person with even a bit of a sense of humor. Anyone know who the CO was in that area at the time?

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What state are you from?

by Junction-Guy in

this is for the us crowd, what state do you live in?

or from?----i live in tennessee, but from ohio and kentucky.

fiddler

Born in Arizona (Phoenix area) but have lived in Oregon much longer. Family is mostly still in Phx.

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I HAVE RETURNED TO THE TRUTH

by wasblind in

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jwn that is .

those of you who click this link it's not at all what you think and you have been hoodwinked .

and if your still part of a religion that predicted the end over (1914 ) and over (1925 ).

fiddler

You know.........until you said it, I had not thought about the fact that 'Satan told the same lie'...........good point!

"............you won't die for god knows..............." yes, it's total BS!

As for the rest of what you said..........I couldn't agree more.

*false prophecies

*can't preach your way to 'salvation'

*a grandmother's generation is CERTAINLY a different one from her granddaughters.

Glad I went and looked anyway at this thread.........it did seem a bit ominous at the outset.

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JW spin on the lady that got murderd my Holt

by greenhornet in

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jamie smithmatthew patonken olsenlaurakenivycourtkkrb777lauramatthewepatonmatthewepaton invited more 2 of 2,300 detailed account by whitney heichel's elderinboxx.

11:42 pm (9 hours ago) to undisclosed recipientsdetailed account by whitney heichel's elder.

by candice corinne bertram on monday, october 29, 2012 at 12:42pm .

fiddler

This is really not about Whitney or the letter but I just had to say, tonight is Halloween and it's been raining ALL WEEK but since 4:30 pm the rain stopped and it's been just a wonderful fall evening free of rain for the Halloween trick or treaters.

Must be divine intervention!

just saying...........

That letter was written by an idiot IMHO.

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Letter From Whitney's Mother

by breakfast of champions in

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just saw this on google news.

link to letter here.. .

dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.

fiddler

AnneB, as a mother I appreciate what you are saying........I will focus my healing thoughts towards the mother and the family......Clint and also the father and the siblings.........when all this publicity dies down they will be left with the stark facts. Whitney is gone and killed by one of their own.

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Letter From Whitney's Mother

by breakfast of champions in

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just saw this on google news.

link to letter here.. .

dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.

fiddler

I read that letter last night and also read through the comments and it seems that the vast majority of non-JW commenters just do not hear what she actually was saying. A few ex-JW's have made some negative comments throughout the various news stories (out of sheer frustration) and the JW responses are often mind numbingly stupid name calling sophmoric rants and yet the people continue to defend them!

This has been a frustrating lesson in human psychology and frankly; quite depressing. I do think that as the weeks and months pass the reality of the loss of Whitney will hit her mom HARD. Also, I think that as the society continues to churn out their Pharisaichal rules and interpretations, one of them is going to hit home and if it puts Whitney in any kind of a bad light then she may start to open her eyes. Or it could be in the form of gossip and we all know how they do like to gossip! But, over the years it has also been my observation that even then die hard witnesses stay blind and take the 'blame' for being 'weak'.

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What's in your current meeting bag?

by nochoice in

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thanks again for the comments on the ipad in kh rules.

on a similar vein, i've been thinking of all the books i can leave behind once our kh blesses the ipad phenomenon.

in the meantime, this is what i have to lug in and why:.

fiddler

I've been out for 13 years now but I still carry around big bookbag like purses. Mine are now filled with music! Classical, fiddling, CHRISTMAS and boy do I love the fact that I can use THOSE to teach with! Students love it too .

I did find it intersting to read the list of things you pack into your official JW briefcase. Lot's of new stuff I've never heard of but I'm sure if I looked inside of any of them it would be the same old recycled garbage. I disposed of all my literature pretty soon after leaving but wish maybe I'd have kept some of those older books. Although anything can be accessed via Internet, it's good to have a hard copy for irrefutable evidence to the wacky broken light switch teachings of the WT.

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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots

by AndersonsInfo in

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autopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.

salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.

heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .

fiddler

Why did Whitney leave for work 15 minutes early for a 4 minute drive?

Although I personally push arrival at work to the last minute, the other half of humanity arives with some room to spare. Fifteen minutes is totally within reason.

Why did Whitney agree to give Holt a ride when being seen alone around town with a married man would be cause for scrutiny and a possible investigation by the local body of elders of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Probably didn't think the 5 minutes at 6:45 in the morning would be any big deal.

Why was Holt referred to by media as an acquaintance at the outset when all Jehovah's Witnesses communicating with them knew he was an "active publisher"(despite being labeled as "irregular attender" by WBTS legalize) in the congregation and in fact spent secular and free time with the Hiechels, even exchanging house keys with the Holts so that house chores could be performed if either couple were away on vacation?

I don't know all the details of their secular/free time but I do know that doing things like watching over pets while an aquaintance is on vacation if it is convenient is possible without knowing the people a whole lot..........I've done that many times before.

Despite this relationship between the Hiechels and Holts, why is there an inordinate amount of Hiechel photos of Whitney and Clint together on Whitney's Facebook?

They were married and happy.

Where are the pictures of their close friends, neighbors and fellow worshipers of Jehovah at the Kingdom Hall the Holts? There are plenty of other congregation members represented in the photos.

Facebook is not a true reflection of a person's life.

Why did Jonathan Holt's wife Amanda delete her Facebook page within hours of Whitney's disappearance. Why is Amanda Holt in seclusion and unwilling to shed light upon this haneous crime?

Amanda Holt is in incredible pain right now.

Where did Jonathan Holt acquire his handgun? Why would Jonathan pack his weapon the morning he asked for a ride and then went to the park with Whitney. Did he premeditate the murder? Why?

Anyone without a record can pretty much aquire a handgun. That he packed it suggest that he premeditated killing Whitney.

Why would Jonathan Holt shoot Whitney 4 times? Why use a gun if he wanted to kill her? Why was he so angry with Whitney? Why would he sodomize her instead of sexual intercourse? What is it that Holt took from Heichel(robbed) before he shot her to death?

You ask questions that only Jonathan Holt could answer and there you would be getting info from a sick man. It is curious as to why he had a gun.

Why would Jonathan toss his cell phone in an easy to find location?

He just killed Whitney in a rage........not thinking too clearly.

Why would Jonathan give an affidavit of confession? And what are the chances that confession is completely accurate as to the actual events?

The JW mindset is deep in him..........confession is pretty engrained. He probably has all the JW fears with him and so........the big sky daddy is watching him.

Why were Jehovah's Witnesses always the ones to find critical clues in this investigation? The car. The park. The license plate. The mountain.

One of their members was a trained search and rescue person. Yes, that was in the news report but it is an acceptable piece of information to me.

If Holt is the heartless cold blooded murderer sociopathic psycho irregular meeting attender the JWs would like everyone to believe, why was he sobbing like a baby at his arraignment?

Because he did something heinous and he has the sense to know it. He was a pretty bumbling killer as to the trail he left.