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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
There are so many scriptures that cancel each other out not to mention the ideas that people like Geofrey Jackson hold as their 'personal' feelings on the matter. So he doesn't believe in corporal punishment as per his interpretation of scripture but others taking it at face value.. they will take a belt or a stick to their kids in good conscience.
Oh! The hearings have recommenced!
Off to listen!!
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
for me, there have always been special movies or scenes in movies that trigger my old jw experience (fiddler on the roof and little mermaid touched me deeply when i watched them as a young jw).
later as a survivor, it was more donnie darko, thx 1138 themes that struck me in particular.. anyway, looking for suggestions on great movies, books (art of any kind, really) that especially speak to or move you as a jw survivor?
there are reasons beyond purely entertainment that i ask..
there is a reddit thread that has been put up that has direct youtube links to highlights of the royal commission.. .
reddit link click here.
hope it is helpful.
lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.
in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".
what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.
several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.
fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.
a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.
I would have to say that learning about this kind of perverted questioning during a JC was another factor in my waking up. It was a time concerning my half sister who was 17 at the time. She was in the JC because of 'fornicating' with her boyfriend. I had her brought out of her state and to my home in Oregon to try and help her. The boyfriend was the least of her problems. She'd suffered years of abuse (emotional and physical) from her mother. So she described the questions that she was asked; what position, how many times, did she enjoy it, yada yada. At first I didn't know it was procedure to ask a teenage girl this kind of thing...thought it was just a one off in one congregation. I was so incensed about it I told MY local elders about what perverts my poor sister had had to endure. Yes, I got her set up in my congregation which I thought were so much more loving and kind. You should have seen the blank look I got when I was going on about it! Hmm.....
Fast forward a few years to my own JC. Yes I had committed the act of adultery and I turned mysel in less than 24 hours after the deed. I was a mess and yes, I felt terrible that I had done it. One of the same elders that had heard my rant earlier was there. Another elder started asking for details and I just looked at him and said 'sex is sex' I'd come there confessing my guilt. I understood the definition of adultery. Details of a personal nature were not necessary. That one elder doubted my sincerity because of what I said and wanted to DF me but since I had come forward on my own and was obviously saddened the other two elders opted for private reproof. Yes, there were some good elders in my hall but It was that whole JC experience and the attitude of a certain elder after that really caused the blinders to come off my eyes. I really saw them all and the organization and everthing for what they were...just men. There was nothing spirit directed or special about them. I began to realize that it WAS procedure to ask those questions. I was done with the whole JW thing at that point and I walked out of the hall vowing to never set foot in one again and I haven't.
Although I would rather the religion just came to an end completely I know that at best some reforms would be at least a step in the right direction. Making sure a sister was present in the room while a young girl or ANY woman was being questioned like that would be one change I would like to see. The obsession with sex that permeates this religion is telling...I think perverted men have been in positions of power there from the beginning. It's woven into the fabric of the religion.
a poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
Well this thread certainly has brought up long forgotten memories! Yes, I remember the 15 minute breaks! Yes, we kids used to run around in the parking lot (lots of admonitions about watching out for cars and maybe NOT running around in the parking lot). I also remember some going out for a smoke. At some point (maybe after 1975) when it was the rank & file JW leaving during the break it seems THAT was when they stopped the break because too many witnesses were leaving after the talk...not just studies.
Anybody here used to go to Sqaw Peak Congo in Phoenix? (Sorry for the politically incorrect name but that was what it was called). This thread brought back all kinds of memories of that place to me.
so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.
rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.
q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?
i don't know how so many who seem to be certain this life is it after being jw's seem to happily accept it and be fine with it.
i am living and trying to live as if this is it.
i want there to be a future life/afterlife, something, but i see how fast life comes and goes and even if i'm living it to the fullest, there is no peace for me with the thought this may be it.
