Candace, mark January 15, 2015 on your calendar but in the meantime, live well and have the countenance of a free and happy individual. You have already won! They, on the other hand, are cowards and they are afraid....of you.
fiddler
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I Dedicate this Post In Support Of Candace Conti in her effort to gain Justice For All Sexually Abused Children by the WTB&TS
by smiddy incorrect me if i am wrong , wasnt this first brought before the courts on the 20/09/2012 ?
if not earlier ?.
candace conti has held out from taking a settlement from the wtb&ts which would require a gag order .
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Finally sent that letter, but not to mom...
by Odrade inno not that letter.. so we hobbled along with the family relationship.
my parents (super-devout, highly involved and connected in jw-land,) spoke with me occasionally with that sad mopey voice.
at one point about 6 years ago, my mom quit speaking to me.
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Odrade, your letter to your dad was very intelligent and direct. It was good. Back in January of 2011 I had what I have decided was my fatal conversation with my dad. He had been communicating with me again over about a 5 year period (while separated from his wife, my stepmother) and although I tried to never bring up the religion he was always one to 'get into it' with me. So, I called him that January day to ask if he might talk to my daughter and maybe help her to see that she didn't have to totally cut me off. My daughter had given birth the year before to my first grandchild and I wanted at least to see him a little... My father refused to get involved but then asked me why I 'hated' the organization so much.
Boy, where to begin?
The whole shunning aspect for one but I also took him on a little journey back in time to the Rutherford era and brought it up to the present with pedophile issue, hypocracy of UN membership and the real estate investment and 'include Watchtower in your will' money grab stuff....and more.
I was pretty thorough.
We agreed to disagree in the end but a month later he was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer. Even so, he asked for me to come out to see him. In the meantime he got back with my stepmother and within a week and under her pressure and shoving JW material on evil apostates under his nose by the time I made the trip down to see him I was no longer welcome on his doorstep. I had flown down on a one way ticket because I didn't know how long he would last and I stayed for 6 weeks never getting to see or speak to him once.
I must say, a part of me regrets being so honest and direct with him. I didn't know he would be dead within the year. Everybodies situation is different and with JW's there are no easy ways to deal with them. I now live with a degree of guilt that I pulled his rug out from under him at such a vulnerable time but I also felt a lot of anger towards him for leaving without saying goodby...no closure on that one.
i hope you feel a lot more peace than I have and you should. Your approach was totally appropriate to your family situation.
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Your favourite WTS publication?
by LoveUniHateExams ini realise that starting this thread may make me as popular as a ginger stepchild but was there any wts publication that you liked, or at least comfortably tolerated?.
my memory may be deceiving me but i think the greatest man book was pretty good, leaving out the gruesome detail of the crucifixtion and wts doctrine.. also, can anyone tell me the list of books that ray franz authored/co-authored?.
thanks.
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fiddler
At first when I read the title of this thread I felt kind of like ADCMS...or what was my favorite flu bug. But after reading the comments I have to say Commentary on Letter of James tops my list. I think it just may have played a part in my waking up due in part by the reaction of a pioneer sister when I mentioned I was reading it. She basically said it wasn't a good idea...no explanation why. I had no idea at the time who wrote it.
I also liked The Greatest Man book because it focussed on Jesus. Jehovah was not a pleasant god to read about...ever....and at least Jesus had some more positive attributes.
Although I can't say I liked all the songs in the various songbooks that I remember I did like some of them and they were fun to play. There was one song in the old, old green songbook (circa 1950's/60's) that had a song I really liked and was surprised when I found it in my violin lesson book. I actually got into an argument with a girl in my violin class who claimed it was also in her church songbook. My little JW mind just didn't think that possible that bad old christendom had one of 'our' songs and my favorite to boot! It was not in the purple SB that came next😒
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My day
by Hortensia indecided to spend the day wasting time.
drove down to redding.
on the way i saw the real woody woodpecker -- every time i see one of those red-headed woodpeckers i think of the cartoon character.
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fiddler
I have pics of Mt Shasta from the highway and even from that vantage point she is beautiful! Haven't seen the view of Lassen and Shasta together but do occasionally get to see 4 of the ring of fire volcanoes all together on a clear day from Bald Peak in Oregon! (Those would be Jefferson, Hood, Adams and St. Helens. )
sounds like you had A great day and my kinda day for sure!
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Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.
imagine my delight!.
a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.
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fiddler
I don't see any subliminal images but the illustration itself speaks volumes.
And this is what a god of love does to his children who make the mistake of listening to the superhuman spirit creature speaking through a snake to very young humans...WTF?!? It's a picture of yet another family torn apart by the evil god Jehovah!
I don't believe the Genesis acoount was anything more than a fable...a moral tale....but what moral was it actually supposed to be teaching!?!
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Hey, I like the wee sleekit cowerin timourous beasties of Burns poetry and his poems set to music!
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fiddler
That was good!
About haggis, I was at a Tannahill Weavers concert some years ago and Roy Gullane was the great story teller explaining the songs and tunes they were doing. One particular tune was 'The Haggis'. He explained to the audience that haggis looked kinda like a football and you didn't know whether to cook it or kick it. After you cooked it you'd know the mistake you made!
I actually did have some very good Haggis once at a Burns Night supper but I think it was made with New Zealand lamb and so not really authentic.
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The Jonestown Massacre, Remembered
by Londo111 inhttp://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/.
it was 36 years ago today.. the watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping.
unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didnat occur at once and in one location.. .
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fiddler
I was just two years married and had an 8 month old baby when Jonestown happened. I sometimes kick myself that I didn't take my thoughts at the time further down the road. I read the defining aspects of a cult and lokked at my husband and said "by that definition WE are in a cult...Christianity itself is a cult going back to following a man, Jesus"
But I didn't follow through to the next steps. I shoved it all into that box in my mind along with other things over the ensuing years until I guess the box became quite overstuffed and exploded. It took another 20 years however for that to happen 😒
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Obscene TOMO turd quote from talk.
by hamsterbait inon the thread about growth up but babble studies down thread, an audio of tomo turd has been posted.
can somebody put it in this separate thread - it's important.. he says how billions of innocent children and other inoffensive people will not get to enjoy their ice cream, as they are about to be annihilated.
they count less than mere "amuse - bouches".. what reward will all those get who peel off their tight pants and spanx before it is too late?.
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fiddler
Yeah, everlasting life...wasn't that the goal of the Pharoahs with their fancy tombs providing all they needed on their journey?
Ponce d'Leone spent his life questing for the fountain of youth (and lots of gold) and where'd that get him or the gullible fools who followed him?
Mormons are all being Mormons so they can have their own planets filled with their families or some such fantacy
and there are and always have been folks that think they can cheat death (Or profit off the gullible ones who follow them) And how selfish! They'll kick their own children to the curb or their aging parents who don't believe just to assure their chance at the 'fountain of youth' or whatever live forever scheme they've imagined. They have no natural affection and seek their own selfish longings....the bible has a few nuggets of wisdom from time to time.
I agree, the comment in that talk was disgusting but also proof that this really is what they belIeve. One MUST be a believer in their god to get everlasting life.
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What if...Barbara Anderson was never disfellowshipped.
by kneehighmiah inwith all these new lawsuits coming against the watchtower, i wonder what would have happened if the watchtower had revised their policies instead of disfellowshipping whistleblowers.
i wonder if the gb regrets it.
what if they had accepted that child abuse was a real issue and abolished the 2 witness rule?
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fiddler
I think the point was that many could have been helped and futher abuse might have been prevented AND the JW's wouldn't BE in this predicament over pedophelia if they had only LISTENED to what Barbara was trying to tell them. Their two witness policy was a disaster waiting to happen and it's happening now. The money drain that may be coming to the JW organization due to pedophile lawsuits may be their final end.
But, on the other side, Barbara and her husband were able to wake up and see much more than just the errors of the JW's; they were able to do research into many other things that they wouldn't have been able to do before and come out with far more knowlege. The same is true for so many of us and we have also lost family due to the df'ing policy. Maybe if the JW religion gets swallowed up in littigation more of our family members will wake up....we can hope.