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Geoffrey Jackson's Golden Apple watch INVESTIGATED
by C0ntr013r ini went through the original footage to get a good look at the watch.. from these pictures we can probably say that it is a apple watch and that it has a golden color.
the color on the pin is black, and the band is white, grey, silvery or beige.. .
the pin is in the exact place for it to be a apple watch.. only apple watch edition have the gold color.
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fiddler
There are also brown noser's in the org that MAY have given it to him as a gift. Do Apple employees get a good discount? -
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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.
by John Aquila inso i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.
we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.
but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.
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fiddler
John Aquila, that was a difficult read and I have no doubt even more so experiencing it in person. There were, however so many assumptions. Not all exJW's are atheist for instance. There are other 'hopes' for an afterlife that are just as good if not better than the JW 'new system'.
I left the org just as my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 non Hodgkin's lymphoma. 14 years ago it was still pretty much bad bad news and basically terminal. At the time I was looking into reincarnation and other ideas involving what happens after our earthly demise. Suffice it to say, I found several other ideas far more comforting than being resurrected to a theocratic dictatorship! I still hold on to the idea that there is something more...my fantasy... but it gets me through this life AND I Can grow and live each day free.
Personally, I don't want to take away their hope. I just want the shunning stuff to stop.
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in.
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
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fiddler
There are so many scriptures that cancel each other out not to mention the ideas that people like Geofrey Jackson hold as their 'personal' feelings on the matter. So he doesn't believe in corporal punishment as per his interpretation of scripture but others taking it at face value.. they will take a belt or a stick to their kids in good conscience.
Oh! The hearings have recommenced!
Off to listen!!
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in.
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
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fiddler
I am so amazed at Angus's ability to 'laser in' on the points that needed to be made! I was, before Angus started in on the Deuteronomy scriptures, getting really weary of GJ quoting cherry picked scripture after cherry picked scripture like he was standing at a door (in the old days...they don't do that anymore) preaching. Yes, Angus can weild the 'silver sword' just as well. The Bible really is like an old fiddle you can play any tune on...I oughta know! I've played both the Bible and a fiddle! -
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Movies/Books for Cult Survivors
by Brighid infor me, there have always been special movies or scenes in movies that trigger my old jw experience (fiddler on the roof and little mermaid touched me deeply when i watched them as a young jw).
later as a survivor, it was more donnie darko, thx 1138 themes that struck me in particular.. anyway, looking for suggestions on great movies, books (art of any kind, really) that especially speak to or move you as a jw survivor?
there are reasons beyond purely entertainment that i ask..
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fiddler
Disney's Tangled. Fear everything on the outside as evil and trust only Mother! -
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Reddit Master directory of Royal Commission Highlights.
by Lemonp inthere is a reddit thread that has been put up that has direct youtube links to highlights of the royal commission.. .
reddit link click here.
hope it is helpful.
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fiddler
Great to have such a detailed list of specific points made at the RC all broken down into YouTube clips. Thanks for the link! -
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fiddler
I saw this posted on facebook. The little guy would run a few steps, fall down and get up and run a few more steps, fall down and get up...did that several times to the finish line. I applaud the little guy with tears in my eyes! -
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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?
by StephaneLaliberte inlets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.
in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".
what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.
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fiddler
I believe this did happen to a young gay brother who was video taped by his own parents and the vid was used during his JC. Anyone remember that one? It was truly dispicable of his parents! -
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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?
by Joe Grundy inseveral threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.
fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.
a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.
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fiddler
I would have to say that learning about this kind of perverted questioning during a JC was another factor in my waking up. It was a time concerning my half sister who was 17 at the time. She was in the JC because of 'fornicating' with her boyfriend. I had her brought out of her state and to my home in Oregon to try and help her. The boyfriend was the least of her problems. She'd suffered years of abuse (emotional and physical) from her mother. So she described the questions that she was asked; what position, how many times, did she enjoy it, yada yada. At first I didn't know it was procedure to ask a teenage girl this kind of thing...thought it was just a one off in one congregation. I was so incensed about it I told MY local elders about what perverts my poor sister had had to endure. Yes, I got her set up in my congregation which I thought were so much more loving and kind. You should have seen the blank look I got when I was going on about it! Hmm.....
Fast forward a few years to my own JC. Yes I had committed the act of adultery and I turned mysel in less than 24 hours after the deed. I was a mess and yes, I felt terrible that I had done it. One of the same elders that had heard my rant earlier was there. Another elder started asking for details and I just looked at him and said 'sex is sex' I'd come there confessing my guilt. I understood the definition of adultery. Details of a personal nature were not necessary. That one elder doubted my sincerity because of what I said and wanted to DF me but since I had come forward on my own and was obviously saddened the other two elders opted for private reproof. Yes, there were some good elders in my hall but It was that whole JC experience and the attitude of a certain elder after that really caused the blinders to come off my eyes. I really saw them all and the organization and everthing for what they were...just men. There was nothing spirit directed or special about them. I began to realize that it WAS procedure to ask those questions. I was done with the whole JW thing at that point and I walked out of the hall vowing to never set foot in one again and I haven't.
Although I would rather the religion just came to an end completely I know that at best some reforms would be at least a step in the right direction. Making sure a sister was present in the room while a young girl or ANY woman was being questioned like that would be one change I would like to see. The obsession with sex that permeates this religion is telling...I think perverted men have been in positions of power there from the beginning. It's woven into the fabric of the religion.
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Do you remember the 15 minute break at the Sun. meeting?
by 3rdgen ina poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
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fiddler
Well this thread certainly has brought up long forgotten memories! Yes, I remember the 15 minute breaks! Yes, we kids used to run around in the parking lot (lots of admonitions about watching out for cars and maybe NOT running around in the parking lot). I also remember some going out for a smoke. At some point (maybe after 1975) when it was the rank & file JW leaving during the break it seems THAT was when they stopped the break because too many witnesses were leaving after the talk...not just studies.
Anybody here used to go to Sqaw Peak Congo in Phoenix? (Sorry for the politically incorrect name but that was what it was called). This thread brought back all kinds of memories of that place to me.