The other question might be: how many self report? I know (I was one) that many are so indoctrinated that when they do something along the lines of 'serious sin' they turn themselves in.
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Just a survey
by Homer notsimpson injust to get others opinions and experiences.
out of everyone in the jw organization, how many do you think never get caught doing a "gross sin "?
and how many do you think actually get caught?
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What will you be doing on the evening of the 11th ?
by Phizzy inmrs phizzy and myself will be eating out, sure in the knowledge we will not have jw's using the same restaurant.. i may have a cigar along with my brandy at the meal's end to celebrate my (our) freedom..
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fiddler
I didn't know until a few hours ago that the memorial was happening in a few more hours. And, it's a full moon tonight 😳 But wait!...I got to set my crystals out on the windowsill! 🌝 What were we talking about??...oh yeah...the JW memorial thing. Tomorrow is just another day and hopefully tomorrow night I will have an evening with my kids & grandbaby and then settle in with a glass of wine, my knitting and TV. 🙃 I celebrate every minute of every day I have of life. So good to be free of all that JW drivel.
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How many years did you waste away in the Org?
by Tallon inin my case; 27 years.
7 of which were as a ministerial serpent ... sorry, i mean 'servant' ;).
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fiddler
Born in and left after 41 years but I will admit my early years, though laced with non conformity with 'the world' was much more lenient than some. I almost left mentally after a film in my 8th grade science class on evolution and for the next 3 years didn't follow the JW lifestyle at all but because I drifted into a not ideal group of friends, the effect was to drive me right back into my 'comfort zone'. Let's say...38 years.
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Do You Trust The News Media?
by minimus inobviously, trump doesn't.
but do you?
do you think that they are generally fair, unbiased and honest?.
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fiddler
I have splurged in my budget to have Siriusxm radio because I spend a lot of time behind the windshield. There are progressive stations and right wing radio and Potus, which carries Steele & Unger and Julie Mason. Progressive radio has Thom Hartman ( a former Oregonian so I admit to some bias there 😉). Between these and NPR and BBC I feel like I'm getting a pretty good mix of news. The sorting out at the end of the day can be a bit frustrating at times. I tend to trust Washington Post for actual journalistic integrity and also Reuters. Aside from that there is much crappola out there!
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A woman's Heartfelt message to the Governing Body
by UnshackleTheChains ini just watched this lovely lady's heartfelt message to the governing body.
i hope that the men she named and all lurkers who have some clout at bethel listen to this message and stop this cruel and divisive shunning policy that has ruined so many family's around the world.
this is just one voice of many many people who feel this way about your (governing body) destructive policy.
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fiddler
It also applies to the mother who gave birth to the precious child, nursed her and took care of her through the years and is now being shunned by her. The governing body have a very heavy millstone around their necks...they will go down, eventually.
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Why is Trump so effective???
by Coded Logic ini think trump is an absolute idiot.
his tactics, however, are undeniably effective.
thought i'd just put together a short list of some of the things he does.
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fiddler
May be time to watch The Last King of Scotland...
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How did you feel when you got baptized?
by Schnufti inback in 2005, i remember sitting in the stadium in the special rows with 42 others.
8000 people were looking at us - maybe even with a binocular - while listening to the speech.
my family and my friends among them, being all proud of me.. i don't remember being enthusiastic.
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fiddler
It was November of 1973 for me and the changing TENTS were outside. OK, granted...it was Phoenix, Arizona but for a lifelong desert rat I felt COLD! I also was told by my study person that I'd feel the Holy Spirit thing...I didn't. My father was df'd at the time and stood in the back of the hall (it was at a kh that had a baptismal pool under the stage) so it was also bittersweet. I remember going home afterwards and looking at the yard, my home, the sky and for the next year kind of dreading the arrival of 1975 because I still didn't feel good enough to survive. Oh, and I was 16....just a kid still.
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Most Widely Circulated Magazine In The World
by Calebs Airplane inwhich magazine is now the most widely circulated in the world?.
before responding, keep in mind that certain parameters (such as content and page count) ought to be met before any printed material intended for mass distribution can be categorized as a “magazine”.
for example, the absolute minimum range for any publication to be considered a magazine is typically around 32 to 48 pages while the highest page counts are usually around 128 to 160, with some popular women’s fashion magazines coming in quite a bit higher than that.. so with that said, which is now the world’s most widely circulated magazine?.
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fiddler
They make great fire starters for the wood stove in winter 😉 Geese, talk about fake news! I'm thinking Watchtower gave the fake news venues a few pointers on how to bedazzle the gullible.
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1 day Assembly Woodburn, Oregon 2/11/2017
by Spoletta inattendance: 1,2037 cost: approximately $12,000 baptised: 2 born ins.
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fiddler
I used to go to the Woodburn Assembly hall...remember when it was built 30+ years ago. I don't see any way in hell (or heaven) that one day cost that much! The kitchen was decommissioned probably 20 years ago...no food...and the thing has to have been paid for. Such a sham. It used to be a really nice place with a nice kitchen and cafeteria. Anyway, figures the baptisms would be only a couple of born ins. Also, I seem to remember attendance being a few thousand back in the day!
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the Book of Enoch and the Nephilim
by schnell ini've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?
if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?
two thirds of heaven, right?
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fiddler
You asked about Paul's reference to the Book of Enoch. 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 sounds a lot like the experience that Enoch had being taken to the third heaven, paradise....there were something like seven levels.
(Excerpt from Book of Enoch)
Chapter 8, VIII1 And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and saw the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness.
2 And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne (by them) bubbling with fragrant exhalation.
3 And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides (it is) in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.
4 Its root is in the garden at the earth’s end.
5 And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
6 And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
7 And thence they go forth along the earth, and have a revolution to their circle even as other elements.
8 And here there is no unfruitful tree, and every place is blessed.
Anyway, I always wondered, as a JW, why this would be a matter to boast about. When later I read some of the Book of Enoch and it occurred to me that the Enochian stories were maybe highly valued back in the first century and for Paul to have had the same experience as Enoch would maybe sound a bit like bragging or boasting. Anyway, that's my take on it.