do you think it's a good idea if the state puts tight controls on cult like organisations like the jws and many others, eg to control the power of their judicial committees or have warnings in their books/mags or even kingdom halls that they use in them mind control techniques?
or warnings about the consequences of leaving the wts after baptism.
the jc are secretive kangaroo courts made up of incompetent people taking decisions against adults but even against under age children that can have destructive consequences on their lives.
An elder was just at my house this afternoon, and he told me that the governments are turning on religion. If they do ANYTHING negotive to the witnesses, they will consider it proper persecution. They expect it and look forward to it. This will strengthen the faith of many. They would say, "its about time!".
That does not imply that I would oppose such a thing, only that the above would happen.
~cab
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
homesteader,
Yes, I hope he agrees to let us believe what we believe, and him his.
And yes, I dont know for sure about my belief in God. Why would he stand by while everyone is dying, if he could do something? But, then, who created everything? I dont like the JW answer..so my feelings are the only thing left...and as I said in the email...why would I worship a god that uses my life, and all lives, to prove his point?
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
Ok, here is my official reply to him, just sent it a minute ago...
************,
I see that this is upsetting you. Sorry about that. I did not mean for this to become a name calling event. I was just sharing some things I had learned recently with you. Obviously, you are not ready to hear such things. Please do not mark us as apostates, we still value our freindship with you. Lets put this to rest.
Chad & Sara
hope he drops it....if not..I may be forced to shun him....
~cab
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
oops, not the birth control pills!!! LOL
Here we are..adults with kids...hiding crap from the dubs....crazy...but, we want to keep in contact with Dub family...so we deal...
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
By under the rug, I meant laying low..not stiring the pot...agreeing with whatever he says...cause there is no telling him different...
NOT that I would just go back to meetings...no..NO..thats not what I meant...
I was one of those kids who got smacked to hell five times a week...I learned..I learned that my kids should not have to put up with that...
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
Mrs Jones,
Yeah, I agree, kinda rude, expecially cause my wife and I were barely dressed for cryin out loud......My wife exused herself, and did not come back....she hates thier visits...I like to hear whats new....this time was different because of the discussion with my bro in law. It may not be obvious, but you can tell he is starting to get upset in his emails......name calling (APOSTATE) and all.....
~cab
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
Josie,
Yes other religious organisations use the name but not as much as the jws. Here's another page to research about the name:
Thanks! That was very interesting! I feel a little better already. I need to be reminded that there are other people out there that disagree with the watchtower. Remember, I was just visited by an elder this afternoon, and you know how that goes... It was funny though, my wife and I were out back, on the deck, kids playing in the pool, the elder just walks around and starts coming up the deck stairs, (I had told him he could visit before) and we had our ASH TRAY out and of course our pack of lights on the table...We had to scramble to hide that, we put plates over the ashtray and tried to conceal our pack of smokes, picking it all up together with some clothes/towels...then later, we realized that we had a few American flags out from the Fourth of July party we had...what a shame....hiding and all... ~cab
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
Now what ?,
So other organizations were using "Jehovah" back then too??
I had not thought of that...do you have any examples?
~cab
when jesus "selected" the faithful and discreet slave!.
"faithful and discreet slave" and therefore that the society was not.
the witnesses as "the faithful and discreet slave".. .
Thank you for your quick replys! I need to form some words together to send him a reply. I am just not sure which route to take. My wife and I are kinda depressed because we started this...kinda like opening a can of worms, or pandoras box. We may just want to go back under the rug where it was safe and warm....
We could just not reply (he wins), tell him that he is right (Save face, he wins) Tell him he will never see the "truth" as long as his mind is controlled by the Society (no one wins)
The worst part of all this, is that my faith (if I ever had any) has been shaken. That part about not believing in god...not totally true....I think that it is ok for me right now not to be sure if God even EXISTS...I feel that if he does exist, he will understand my confusion, after all...he made me...right??
~?
