Something about him sounds familiar. Thanks for the article.
bavman
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Bart Erhman, transformation complete?
by peacefulpete inbart began as a fundamentalist like ourselves but in time his studious nature led him to critical bible scholarship.
his books are viewed as authoritative.
in an interesting interview he recounts this transformation and hints that he has finally left the conviction that there ever was a historical jesus, or that personage/s whose lives are reflected in certain episodes in the legend served merely as sources for the jesus character.
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Publisher Numbers and Romania
by bavman ini remember how excited i felt when communism fell.
i was at pioneer school at the time the tanks went through the walls and i watched yeltsin standing on a tank with my "sponsor family".
how jehovah was blessing us!
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bavman
I remember how excited I felt when communism fell. I was at Pioneer school at the time the tanks went through the walls and I watched Yeltsin standing on a tank with my "sponsor family". How Jehovah was blessing us! Now the good news could be preached and our brothers could have freedom. Later on the yearbook could publish freely the numbers of our brothers there in Russia and as the curtain continued to fall in Eastern Europe more numbers could be published including those from Romania. Indeed the numbers that were published were fantastic! It turned out many could be counted as faithful witnesses in those lands. I wonder though, how accurate those numbers really were? Especially after reading a page from a "Bible student" website. On a side note, I talked with a local "bible student" in my area a couple years ago who also fondly "recalled" the time the curtain fell and it was found many of his brethren were found to still be in Romania and other Eastern European lands. Here's the link to the page: http://www.biblestudents.net/history/daughters_tower.htm#part43
Below is the paragraph that got me wondering....
When the Curtain fell in Europe, the Society was eager to see what was left of the Romanian Jehovah's Witnesses. They were quite disappointed. Because of the loss of communication from the war, the Bible Students had adopted the name "Jehovah's witnesses", but were still reading and studying Russell's writings and discarding the current literature from the Society. When the Society came in, they were dumbfounded at what they saw. Bible Students going under the name "Jehovah's witnesses".
Could it be that these "Bible students" were among those counted by the society. They were going under the name of "Jehovah's witnesses". Certainly they WERE NOT Jehovah's witnesses in reality however.
Does anyone have any ideas on this?
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Scientists Find Water on Saturn Moon
by bavman inthe cassini spacecraft has found evidence of liquid water spewing from geysers on one of saturn's icy moons, raising the tantalizing possibility that the celestial object harbors life.
the surprising discovery excited some scientists, who say the saturn moon, enceladus, should be added to the short list of places within the solar system most likely to have extraterrestrial life.. recent high-resolution images snapped by the orbiting cassini confirmed the eruption of icy jets and giant water vapor plumes from geysers resembling frozen old faithfuls at enceladus' south pole.. "we have the smoking gun" that proves the existence of water, said carolyn porco, a cassini imaging scientist from the space science institute in boulder, colo.. if enceladus does harbor life, it probably consists of microbes or other primitive organisms capable of living in extreme conditions, scientists say.. the findings were published in friday's issue of the journal science.. david morrison, a senior scientist at nasa's astrobiology institute, cautioned against rushing to judgment about whether the tiny moon could support life.
scientists generally agree habitats need several ingredients for life to emerge, including water, a stable heat source and the right chemical recipe.. "it's certainly interesting, but i don't see how much more you can say beyond that," morrison said.. scientists believe mars and jupiter's icy moons might have or once had conditions hospitable to life.. saturn is around 800 million miles from earth.
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bavman
The Cassini spacecraft has found evidence of liquid water spewing from geysers on one of Saturn's icy moons, raising the tantalizing possibility that the celestial object harbors life.
The surprising discovery excited some scientists, who say the Saturn moon, Enceladus, should be added to the short list of places within the solar system most likely to have extraterrestrial life.
Recent high-resolution images snapped by the orbiting Cassini confirmed the eruption of icy jets and giant water vapor plumes from geysers resembling frozen Old Faithfuls at Enceladus' south pole.
"We have the smoking gun" that proves the existence of water, said Carolyn Porco, a Cassini imaging scientist from the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo.
If Enceladus does harbor life, it probably consists of microbes or other primitive organisms capable of living in extreme conditions, scientists say.
The findings were published in Friday's issue of the journal Science.
David Morrison, a senior scientist at NASA's Astrobiology Institute, cautioned against rushing to judgment about whether the tiny moon could support life. Scientists generally agree habitats need several ingredients for life to emerge, including water, a stable heat source and the right chemical recipe.
"It's certainly interesting, but I don't see how much more you can say beyond that," Morrison said.
Scientists believe Mars and Jupiter's icy moons might have or once had conditions hospitable to life.
Saturn is around 800 million miles from Earth. Enceladus measures 314 miles across and is the shiniest object in the solar system.
It was long thought to be cold and still. But scientists now believe it is a geologically active moon that possesses an unusually warm south pole.
The water is believed to vent from fissures in the south pole. Porco said the venting has probably been going on for at least several thousand years, potentially providing a lasting heat source.
The Cassini-Huygens mission is a joint NASA-European Space Agency project. The spacecraft was launched in 1997 and went into orbit around Saturn in 2004, exploring its spectacular rings and many moons. Cassini made three flybys of Enceladus last year and is expected to fly within 220 miles of the moon again in 2008.
On the Net:
Cassini mission: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.cfm
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Do you believe in negative energy?
by xjwms inall of you people are the best, ... because you always have the right answers fast....... last week i had that run in with bro & sis pioneer...and they really beat me up, .
this week a brother called me, with a stupid tax question that i know he had the answer to.
he had not seen me since last year at the memorial...and said...."are you fatter since i seen you?".
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bavman
Would LOVE to see you you tommorrow. (Trying to dispense positve energy)
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Has anyone done this before??? READ THIS!
by schne_belly inso last night, my lovely wife and i were about to sit down to dinner, and the doorbell rings.
guess who?.
two elders to inform me that i am disfellowshipped!!.
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bavman
OMG! That was painful to watch. Poor Dennis.....I really like the guy I just hope he sees the real truth eventually. Congrats on your first documentary!
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Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together.
by xjwms in.
next week my wife and i are going to see, .. and visit, .. her aunt and uncle who are regular pioneers.. being regular pioneers they are, i just know it, .. get into it with me.. what do i say if they pull this scrip on me, ....... of not forsakeing the gathering together bit????.
so far i am preparing myself with all kinds of info, .. if it comes up.
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bavman
Good luck with the jerk.
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Wisconsin
by collegegirl21 ini am just wondering if there is anyone on here from the south wisconsin area.
i am looking to assoicate with people other than my parents and their religion.
please get back to me and let me know.
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bavman
Welcome College girl. I will Pm you my e-mail addy. There are quite a few on here from Wisconsin and SE Wis. at that. I may be able to connect you with some others too who haven't been on this thread.
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Letter following Disfellowshipping
by inbyathread inhere is a letter recently sent to the local elders.
quite small so here it is as i can type it out.
february 1, 2006
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bavman
Cool letter! Marshfield eh? I grew up in Rapids. I know the Tripster as well. PM me sometime if you want to get better aquainted.
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Anyone else in PUTERNUT's shoes? Despairing? COME TO US!
by AlmostAtheist inhey guys,.
listen, we were all "brothers" and "sisters" at one time and it didn't really mean shit.
i'd've turned my back on the lot o' ya when i was a jw and i found out you were apostates.. but now we're all truly brothers and sisters.
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bavman
e-mail me anytime at:[email protected] (if you want to talk...) For those near Milwaukee, WI contact me to get in touch with our nice little meet-up arrangement. There's plenty of support in Wisconsin.
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Did Anyone Try to Warn You About the WTS?
by tmo1965 indid anyone try to warn you about the wts before you saw the light?
how did you react to the info?
did you resent the person / people who told you?
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bavman
I was raised in the "troof". However, I did have a few "worldly friends and neighbors, teachers that questioned "things". I wish I had listened to them.