i was talking with my dad last night and during our call, he started talking about all the storms to hit florida, the earthquake in california (that didn't damage anything), and mt.
saint helens on the verge of erupting.. he didn't come right out and say it, but i got the feeling he was trying to slip in some kind of warning.
the old 'sign of the end' type of stuff.
3. Increase immorality (including violent crimes).
I would rather be walking on a road today, than when Paul was traveling. Does anyone see
what violent crimes were committed by bandits for the past 6000 years?
The romans had a good control on things due to the fact that they had good justice system
but any others?
How about innocent villages being plundered before the 20th century? Want to be naive and dismiss it?
Be my guest!
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
You neither understood my statement, nor answered my question (typical JW turning the subject back on you thing)
My statement did not speak or doubt of the "number of 144,000", but asked you to prove that at that moment (Rutherford's speach)
how could he prove scripturally that the number was complete? (JW doctrine says that the numbers are dwindling, because there are no more
and if you see a new brother taking the emblems, he just replaced a "unfaithful one") What "revelation" did he have?
Revelation speaks of these 144,000, but does not tell us when the number would be completed? He must
of been a prophet from God (more like the Devil) to proclaim himself an interpreter?
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
Gdt: You're barking up the wrong tree!
Who inspired J. F. Rutherford to proclaim in the 30's that the number of 144,000 was fulfilled?
Since nowhere in the Bible does it says so, when he made the proclamation "he must of seen ot from God himself" thus prophecying!
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
GDT: I think you better read this thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/75744/1.ashx
WT does double speak when their prophecies do not come true! (you are in the hands of Brooklyn, enjoy the ride!)
from: http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=/region/europe/france/english/releases/religious_freedom/fra_e041006.htm.
following a tax inspection lasting 18 months, the tax department established that association les temoins de jehovah, whose sole revenue consists of religious donations by its adherents, was run in a completely benevolent fashion, and that its activities were not commercial or for profit.
nevertheless, the tax department levied a 60-percent tax on the religious donations made over a period of four years, between 1993 and 1996. this represents, on average, five euros per donor, per month.
Yes, they are audited by professional external auditors.
I guess this is why they have the annual meeting in Jersey City, where an elite bunch are personally picked through an invitation.
Figures are talked about for 15-30 mins.
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
GDT:
and it is then a matter of faith in the men who said that they did get revelations from God.Who are these men you are referring to? I hope you do not mean the Watchtower? They are far from it!
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
MJ: In any case we can choose to leave it in the hands of our creator and not let it consume us.
That is exactly opposite of JW mentality "they must know everything"
I totally agree, and believe that people wrote the bible. People interpret the bible. People always want to tell people what to do!
Thus let's just be, and love each other in the mean time!
i have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
MJ: In any case we can choose to leave it in the hands of our creator and not let it consume us.
That is exactly opposite of JW mentality "they must know everything"
I totally agree, and believe that people wrote the bible. People interpret the bible. People always want to tell people what to do!
Thus let's just be, and love each other in the mean time!
from: http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=/region/europe/france/english/releases/religious_freedom/fra_e041006.htm.
following a tax inspection lasting 18 months, the tax department established that association les temoins de jehovah, whose sole revenue consists of religious donations by its adherents, was run in a completely benevolent fashion, and that its activities were not commercial or for profit.
nevertheless, the tax department levied a 60-percent tax on the religious donations made over a period of four years, between 1993 and 1996. this represents, on average, five euros per donor, per month.
I know some european contries allow you to take
part of your income taxes and donate it to approved
relegious orgs instead of the goverment! I think this is wrong and
so is taxing only one religion, unless the others are not "selling" literature?
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i know this seems odd to ask, but a friend of mine uses this as a internet buzzword.. was wondering if he was one of the ones trying to mentally leave the org?
I know this seems odd to ask, but a friend of mine uses this as a internet buzzword.
Was wondering if he was one of the ones trying to mentally leave the org?
