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  How To Know If You're in a Cult!

  by metatron in

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  you don't need to read a book or consult a psychological expert.

  it's all very simple.. ask yourself: if i refer to this group as a "cult", could i be excommunicated or disfellowshipped or expelled?.

  have the leaders of this group instructed me not to refer to it as a "cult"?.

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  Bubbamar

  Nice and simple. Who needs 8 criteria!!!

  Another way to tell: You start to blush and panic when someone asks you what religion you are.
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  ELDER MEETING NIGHTMARES!!!!!

  by tresbella in

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  2. beliefs

  ahhh!

  those dreaded elders meetings!

  was it something as serious as someone heard from bro.

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  My stupidest elders meeting: I was about 14/15 and had gone to CA to spend the summer with a JW family that used to live in my area. While I was there I told my friend - an adult - that one of the elders was touching me inappropriately in my swimming pool. Nothing totally horrible - running his hand up and down my hip. Well, she didn't tell me but she called my home cong. and reported it. When I got home I got pulled into a meeting with my mom, the elders, the elder AND his wife and I was questioned about it.

  Now people....what the F was that supposed to accomplish?!? Like I was going to talk about it in front of the man's sweet wife. And do you think my mom could have talked to me about it before the meeting??? Out of simple concern for her daughter?? It makes me sick to think about it now. I don't think they believed it even happened.

  Interestingly - the same elder was having a "youth group" for the young people in our cong. and he kept getting in trouble because he wasn't supposed to have it. Hmmmmm I wonder why???
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  Faithful and discreet slave redefined

  by little witch in

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  2. beliefs

  dear witness of jehovah,

  i understand that you are under the direction of a group of men who are called (at their urging) the "faithful and discreet slave".

  i have a few observations and a question if i may.

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  Bubbamar

  Oh - my - god!!! That is brilliant!! I love it!! Will you send it in as a "question from the readers?"
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  Is JW all doom and gloom?

  by uninitiated in

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  2. beliefs

  i am in a relationship with a man who is jw.

  the things he tells me leads me to believe that their beliefs espouse doing nothing to better the world as it is hopeless, and all is coming to an end anyway.

  this seems like a cowardly way to face the hardships in this world.

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  Welcome unintiated!! You are in for a ear eye-full!! First, to answer your question - YES it is all doom and gloom and it only gets worse. Since you apparently are not a JW - you will be happily destroyed by the JW god in armageddon while your boyfriend prances into the New System (tm).

  If he is not already putting the heat on you to become a JW, he soon will. Please, please, please inform yourself on what this cult is really all about. Read books and do an internet search. You will learn from many of us on this board how destructive they are. I was disfellowshipped at age 18 and haven't heard from my mom for many years because of their shunning doctrine.

  You can test the waters by just mentioning to him that you visited an "apostate" discussion board. He will then in all likelihood begin to call us terrible names and say that we are lying, weak, lazy, unspiritual, etc. We have been hurt and abused by this destructive cult and know about all their lies. They don't want their book sellers (rank and file members) to find out the truth about the "truth" and leave.

  I can't say it enough. Please please please....KEEP READING!!
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  Idea for when "Beware the Voice of Strangers" is studied

  by joenobody in

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  2. friends

  after reading the "beware the voice of strangers" article, a thought occurred to me.

  it has been suggested in the past that a number of board members ought to attend a particular meeting all on the same day.

  why not on the sunday when this article is studied?

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  Bubbamar

  Great idea!!! When and where?? I'll go. But I'm NOT wearing a dress!!!!!!!
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  Double standards Re: Disfellowshipping

  by Jez in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was df'ed for adultry, within 4 mons of 'the act.

  ' my dad left me mom, lived with a woman for 4 years, then married her.

  to this day, he is not df'ed.

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  Good point Little Toe. I didn't mean to imply that in some circumstance we should judge. But, for anyone who has been cheated on before (myself included and RR too - it looks like anyway) it is hard not to have hard feelings about it and judge it as bad. Its a very painful thing.
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  Double standards Re: Disfellowshipping

  by Jez in

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  2. scandals

  i was df'ed for adultry, within 4 mons of 'the act.

  ' my dad left me mom, lived with a woman for 4 years, then married her.

  to this day, he is not df'ed.

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  RR - I'm shocked. You know that if a JW gets a divorce for any reason other than adultry, gets remarried - then that is considered adultry by the JW's. She could have divorced an abusive a--hole, re-married a wonderful soulmate and been DF'ed for adultry. She didn't say and considering what we know about the JW's methods - we should not judge!!!

  And yes the Dbl standards are appalling. My dad was baptized and faded 2 years later. He was a drunk who cheated on my mom more than once. The elders talked about whether to DF him or not and decided not to. Who knows why not. I was 18 and having serious problems - and got DF'ed just like that. Pigs.
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  September 1,2004 WT Beware The Voice of Strangers

  by Wolfy in

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  i managed to get my scanner working on another pc.

  i'm not sure about the policy about posting scans of watchtowers here so if you want me to send you the scans let me know.

  the scans are in a zip file which is password protected.

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  Bubbamar

  I challenge them to just for once say to their mindless followers: Go ahead and listen to the apostate lies and judge for yourselves.

  Oh yea. That'll never happen.
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  Simple Questions that Jehovah's Witnesses cannot readily answer...

  by joenobody in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some do not like to discuss doctrinal issues with elders etc.

  when leaving the org or studying feeling inadequate.. .

  i present for your consumption some very simple questions to ask that reveal motives and objectives to use in lieu of doctrinal debates.

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  Bubbamar

  Good questions!!
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  August 15th WT - Eliminate your unnecessary hobbies and projects

  by truthseeker in

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  the third study article in the august 15th wt is entitled "tired, but not tiring out.".

  it is of interest that the borg are further reducing the quality of life for their members by the following paragraph (pg 24, para 11).

  sometimes what complicates our lives is, not the pursuit of more things, but what we do with the things we already have.. some may experience emotional fatigue as a result of challenging health problems, the loss of loved ones, or other.

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  Will the madness ever end?!?! That is so sickening to me. gladtobefree - good point - very emotionally unhealthy! But of course they benifit by having emotionally unhealthy people as members. They wouldn't exist if everyone got well!