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does anyone know any other reason(s) jesus might not have selected the watchtower corporation in 1919?.

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reslight2

Finkelstein stated:

I think it would safe to say that Russell was a plagiarizer of many things. religious theologies as well of symbols from other organizations
including the Free Masons.

plagiarism

anact or instanceofusingor closely imitating the language and thoughts of anotherauthorwithoutauthorizationandtherepresentation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the originalauthor

While Russell did adopt and adapt theological ideas from those who came before him, he did indeed many times credit those who came before him. Russell considered them to have been brothers in Christ.

Russell did, on occasion, also adopt some terminology from the Freemasons to illustrate God's secret society, the Christian church. This in no wise means that Russell was approving of the Freemasons, or any other of man's secret soceities, nor does it give us any reason to imagine that his use of the cross and crown illustration had anything to do with the Freemasons.

See:

The Watchtower and the Masons

I Am a Free and Accepted Mason

The Temple of God

Russell's Comments on the Freemasons

Reply to: "Charles Taze Russell Founder of Jehovah's Witnesses Was a Mason"

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does anyone know any other reason(s) jesus might not have selected the watchtower corporation in 1919?.

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reslight2

Finkelstein stated:

Reslight2, you'll note that there's a Cross & Crown on the top left, which is still used today by Free Masons and a Knights Templar symbol
on the top right.

There is indeed a graphic illustration of a cross and crown on the top left; I have no reason, however, to call upon the spirit of human imagination so as to imagine and assume that because the Knights Templar use a similar (not the exact same) graphic, that I must assume that the illustration that Russell used, based on the Bible, is a Masonic symbol, any more than I would have any reason to imagine that the Bible is a Masonic book because some of the Masons use symbolism that is from the Bible. Biblical symbolism does not become Masonic symbolism just because some of the Masons may use such symbolism. The cross and crown symbolism, however, has been used by all the major denominations of Christendom; does this mean that all of these denominations that have used such symbolism were actually promoting the Freemasons by doing so?

Again, I urge you to see what I have written on this at:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=1155
and also at:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=170

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does anyone know any other reason(s) jesus might not have selected the watchtower corporation in 1919?.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

10. Teaching that the "other sheep" were to be in Heaven and number approximately 411,840,000 - (1918 The Finished Mystery page 102-103)

In reality, there is no mention at all of the "other sheep" on those pages. It does mention the "great company" (the great multitude of Revelation 7). As far as I can tell, Rutherford and in associates, in 1918, were still holding to Russell's view that the "other sheep" are those whom become Christ's sheep (on earth) during the age to come. Rutherford had not yet brought forth his "new light" that the great multitude are part of the "other sheep".

http://mostholyfaith.com/bible/ScripturexRef.asp?parm=KJV^John^10^16

Russell, however, did not believe that the great multitude of Revelation is a part of the "other sheep" who are to live forever on the earth; he believed that the great multitude of Revelation 7 would go to heaven in the resurrection, and that is basically the same thought that the authors of The Finished Mystery presented on pages 102 and 103 of the Finished Mystery.

Nevertheless, from the standpoint that God would not approve of error, and from the standpoint of projecting the JW organization back into that time, and then claiming that God approved of that organization by what it was teaching, it does present a paradox that would have God and Jesus approving of such an organization because it was teaching what that organization today considers to be error.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

17. Falsely prophesying the end of the world in 1918 - (1918 The Finished Mystery page 485)

I could not find any statement of the end of the world in 1918 on page 485 of The Finished Mystery; possibly what is being referred to is:

Also,
in the year 1918, when God destroys the
churches wholesale and the church members by
millions, it shall be that any that escape shall
come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the
meaning of the downfall of "Christianity."
http://archive.org/details/TheFinishedMystery

I suppose one could consider this to be a statement of the "end of the world", although I highly doubt that the author of that statement at that time meant "end of the world" by that statement. I could not find the phrase "end of the world" at all in the book, "The Finished Mystery".

This statement, however, shows a sentiment that later developed into the "join us or you may be eternally destroyed" doctrine that Rutherford gradually developed; this attitude led Rutherford in 1938 to full rejection of Russell's view of Armageddon, as well as the "ransom for all".

Russell never made any statement that church members would be destroyed by the millions, etc. He did believe that symbolically the tares would be destroyed in the symbolic furnace of fire, but he stated that this does not mean that they would be destroyed as individuals; that, as individuals, they would still receive the blessings of the kingdom.

At any rate, I agree that the JWs today would certainly not approve that statement, and thus, in effect, would be claiming that God would not have approved of such a statement.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

23. The Watchtower was in the middle of an internal power struggle from 1916-1928 following Charles Taze Russell's death. - (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose 1959 p69)

Indeed, the struggle for "power" was mostly from Rutherford; he claimed power and authority of such that Russell had preached against. By 1928, the Bible Students movement as a whole (represented by the vast majority) had rejected Rutherford's grasping for power and his new "organization" gospel. By 1928, over 75% of the Bible Students had rejected Rutherford's new organization.

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reslight2

Finkelstein stated:

Taking in consideration of the fact that the WTS. was always a profiting commercialized publishing house...

The WTS of Russell's time was certainly not a profiting commercialized publishing house; it was indeed a publishing house, but it was funded by Russell's wealth, side enterprises (aside from the Watch Tower itself), and voluntarily contributions. The WTS in those days were certainly not getting rich by the sell of books by colporteurs, nor from subscriptions; indeed, as I understand it, books were provided to colporteurs at or below the cost of printing those books. I know when I was colporteuring for the LHMM, I saw the invoices that showed how much it cost to print the books, and the cost per book was more than what I was being charged for the books. Thus, the books were provided to colporteurs by means of subsidizing the difference in cost from voluntary contributions.

The WTS in Russell's day distributed millions of pieces of literature without charge at all. The WTS as Russell left it, however, was viritually destroyed within a few months after he died.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

16. Promoting Masonic symbols - (1918 March 1st Watchtower)

I could not find anything in March 1st Watch Tower that promotes Masonic symbols. Nevertheless, since much of symbolism of the Bible has been adopted by the Knights Templar, in a round-about way one could say that much the Bible's symbolism is also used by the Masons, at least, by the Knights Templar. This is not to say that the Bible is a Masonic book (which some have claimed); it just means that the Knights Templar may be using similar symbolism of the Bible.

Nevertheless, I am sure that the present-day JW leadership would not approve of some of the illustrations that appeared in the Watch Tower of that time, and thereby would have it that God would not approve of such.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

15. Promoting the pagan "winged sun disk" - (1918 The Finished Mystery)

Although "The Finished Mystery" was not written by Charles Taze Russell, it does carry, not a pagan "winged sun disk", but rather Russell's rendition of a "sun of righteouness" illustration. (Malachi 4:2) This signified the prophecies that foretell the rising of a new sun in the new heavens to take the place of the present sun of vanity. -- Ecclesiastes 1:2,13-15; 2:11; 4:7; Malachi 4:2; Romans 8:19-22; Revelation 21:1-5.

See:

http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=322

Nevertheless, from the JW perspective, I am sure that they would not approve of such an illustration, and thus they would have it that God would not approve of the use of such an illustration either.

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

14. Teaching that the pyramids were God’s witness stone - (1918 The Finished Mystery page 226)

On page 226, it is stated:

Thrust in Thy sickle, and reap: for the time is
come [for thee] to reap.— The Great Pyramid
confirms the Bible's teaching that the time of
Harvest has come.

We do not find any reference to "pyramids" (plural), but we do find a reference to one pyramid, that is, the one often called "The Great Pyramid".

Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witnesses today believe that the Great Pyramid is not of God, and thus, from their perspective, this teaching would not have been approved by God or Jesus.

http://gp.reslight.net

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reslight2

biometrics stated:

6. Preaching racism - (1902 Watchtower July 15th page 215)

http://mostholyfaith.com/bible/reprints/Z1902JUL.asp#Z215:3

" From the Scriptural standpoint we must and do recognize all of the human family as one race, of which father Adam was the original head; a later head being Noah."

Actually, what we find presented in the WT of July 15, 1902 is Russell's studies in which he exposes as false some common racist ideas of his time.