Posts by reslight2

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End of world predictions/ JW's

by exwhyzee in

i thought this was an interesting site that discusses end of world predictions.

http://www.humanreligions.info/the_end_of_the_world.html.

there are additional links at the end of this page.

reslight2

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

According to Russell, the Bible and Pyramid reveal clearly that the Second Coming of Christ took place invisibly in 1874.

One could say that Russell was thoroughly convinced that Christ returned in 1874; I also believe this, although, like Russell, I would not be dogmatic on this so as to say that one had believe this to be a Christian.

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

This ushered in forty years of 'Harvest' during which the true members of the Church are to be called together under Russell's leadership. Before the close of 1914, the Millennium will begin.

Actually, Russell believed that the millennium itself had already begun in 1874, thus he was not looking for it to begin at any future date.

https://www.google.com/search?q=millennium+began+1874&sitesearch=mostholyfaith.com

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

The dead will rise and be given a 'second chance' to accept Christ.

Russell believed that the dead will rise, and, as far as the world now blinded by Satan is concerned, they will be enlightened by the the books that are then opened to them.

I don't know that Russell ever spoke of a "second chance" to accept Christ. In effect, Russell believed that the blessing of their enlightenment in the age to come will be their "first", not "second" real opportunity to accept Jesus with clear knowledge of what is involved.

However, in that all mankind lost their "first chance" for everlasting life when Adam sinned, Russell believed that Jesus' ransom sacrifice has given all of us a "second chance" for everlasting life, whether applied in this age, or in the age to come.

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+chance+lost+adam&sitesearch=mostholyfaith.com

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End of world predictions/ JW's

by exwhyzee in

i thought this was an interesting site that discusses end of world predictions.

http://www.humanreligions.info/the_end_of_the_world.html.

there are additional links at the end of this page.

reslight2

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

In 1891, Pastor Russell published the third volume of his famous series Studies in the Scripture. It is a book of Biblical prophecy, supplemented by evidence from the Great Pyramid. A letter from Smyth is reproduced in which the Scottish astronomer praises Russell highly for his new and original contributions.

Most of what Russell presented in his third volume regarding God's Witness in Egypt was actually borrowed and rephrased from what Barbour had written. As far as the basic ideas presented, Barbour had already presented those ideas several years before.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nelson+barbour+%22great+pyramid%22&sitesearch=heraldmag.org

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End of world predictions/ JW's

by exwhyzee in

i thought this was an interesting site that discusses end of world predictions.

http://www.humanreligions.info/the_end_of_the_world.html.

there are additional links at the end of this page.

reslight2

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

An American preacher enormously impressed by Smyth's researches [on pyramid numerology] was Charles Taze Russell, of Allgheny, Pa., founder of the sect now known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

As far as I can tell, Smyth never spoke of "numerology"; as a far as I have been to ascertain, he never tried to apply what is usually defined as "numerology" to his study of the Great Pyramid.

Was Charles Taze Russell the founder of what is now the Jehovah's Witnesses? Actually, Russell preached against the kind of organization that Rutherford created. Russell also preached against the kind of Armageddon message that the Jehovah's Witnesses preach. It would be misleading to say that Russell was not the "founder" of an organization of which he preached against.

http://www.rlbible.com/ctr/?cat=25

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End of world predictions/ JW's

by exwhyzee in

i thought this was an interesting site that discusses end of world predictions.

http://www.humanreligions.info/the_end_of_the_world.html.

there are additional links at the end of this page.

reslight2

exwhyzee posted 3/28/2013

The JWs initial predictions of the end of the world were based on pyramidology and numerology. This is the use of measurements and dates surrounding the great pyramid in Egypt to predict days. Because the number of potential numbers to use are as plentiful as the imagination, almost any date can be made meaningful. Pyramidology and numerology is thoroughly discredited by mathematicians, and prophecies based on them have had an uncountable number of failures.

Charles Taze Russell himself was never a member of the JWs. He did not believe in such an organization.

Russell, however, did not "base" his expectations on pyramidology, and certainly not numerology (the study of numbers, as the figures designating the year of one's birth, to determine their supposed influence on one's life, future, etc. -- Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013). Rather, Russell "based" is conclusions on study of the Bible.

To say that "any date can be made meaningful" through "pyramidology and numerology" simply shows the author's ignorance of Russell's (and the Edgars') Biblical study of the Great Pyramid.

Charles Taze Russell, however, never made any prophecies, and God's witness in Egypt (Isaiah 19:19,20) can only be used to confirm the Bible; it cannot be used, of itself, as a source of "prophecy".

http://www.rlbible.com/binfo/?page_id=276
http://www.rlbible.com/ctr/?cat=33

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The ransom sacrifice contradicts the "issue of universal sovereignty"

by yadda yadda 2 in

if jesus is the exact representation of his heavenly father, and if "god is love", and if there is no greater love than to give up one's own life for others, then if jesus gave up his life for mankind as the greatest act of love ever performed, why would jehovah be more concerned about his own name being vindicated and his rule being proven to be superior to man's rule than preventing untold millions of innocent persons over thousands of years from suffering and dying horribly?.

wouldn't jehovah be just like his son, jesus, and choose to sacrifice his own name and reputation out of his great love for mankind rather than permit so much suffering for thousands of years?

why would the almighty creator of the universe care so much about being 'slandered' by a rebellious spirit creature that he would have to permit so much suffering for so long?

reslight2

Why did God send his son into the world?

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord Yahweh is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening [of the prison] to those who are bound; Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of Yahweh's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;

John 3:17 For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

John 12:47 If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Romans 3:21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction,
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
Romand 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
Romans 3:25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done before, in the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:26 to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 5:8 God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Timothy 1:15 The saying is faithful, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 John 2:2 And he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

1 John 4:14 The Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world.

What did Jesus sacrifice for us?

He gave his humanity — including his body of flesh — as an offsetting price, which sacrifice he formally presented as priest after his ascension. – - Hebrews 8:4; 9:24-26; 10:10.

Jesus gave his blood in sacrifice.

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24 He said to them, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 He took the cup in like manner after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, that which is poured out for you.

Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son. – Revised Standard Version.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God’s wrath through him.

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.

However, what does Jesus' blood represent? Jesus’ human soul, which he also gave in sacrifice.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life [Hebrew, nephesh - soul] of the flesh is in the blood.

Deuteronomy 12:23 The blood is the life [Hebrew, nephesh - soul].

The human soul consists of the body made from the dust of the ground and the neshamah, activated by spirit of life as received from God. — Genesis 2:7.

Jesus sacrificed his human body:

Hebrews 10:10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 Every priest indeed stands day by day ministering and often offering the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins,
Hebrews 10:12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 henceforth expecting until his enemies to be made the footstool of his feet.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are sanctified.

Luke 22:19 He took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and gave to them, saying, “This is *my body which is given [as an offering in sacrifice to God - Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:14] for you*. Do this in memory of me.”

Jesus sacrificed his flesh:

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.

Jesus sacrificed his human soul:

Matthew 20:28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life [soul] as a ransom [price to offset] for many.Isaiah 53:12 He *poured out his soul* to death, and was numbered with the transgressors: yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.He died; he was totally dead, ceased to be sentient, else there has been no ransom. His body was given in sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:10; Luke 22:19) Jesus’ soul — his sentiency — was given in sacrifice (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and went into sheol, where there is no work, device, knowledge or wisdom, and wherein one cannot give thanks to, or praise to, Yahweh. (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18) Jesus’ human blood — which represents his human soul/being (Leviticus 17:11; Deuteronomy 12:23) — was given in sacrifice. (Mark 14:24; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:14) Thus his soul — his being — as raised, made alive, from the oblivious condition of sheol was no longer human, but spirit. -- 1 Peter 3:18.

http://atonement.reslight.net

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

by Splash in

under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

splash.

reslight2

Deputy Dog posted:

reslight2
From: THE TIME IS AT HAND page 99
In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914. Then the prayer of the Church, ever since her Lord took his departure - "Thy Kingdom come'' - will be answered; and under that wise and just administration, the whole earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord - with knowledge, and righteousness, and peace (Psa. 72:19; Isa. 6:3; Hab. 2:14); and the will of God shall be done "on earth, as it is done in heaven."
Last time I checked the kindoms of this world are still ruling. Or is this what God's will is like in heaven?
page 101
Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A. D. 1878, and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty'' (Rev. 16:14.), which will end in A, D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's Word.

These are both quotes from what Brother Russell had written before 1904; from 1904 onward, Russell was no longer expecting the final end of the kingdoms of this world in 1914. Notice that Brother Russell states "we", referring to himself, his opinion, his own conclusions. Nevertheless, what he had considered an established fact before 1904, he admitted to have been wrong. On the other hand, as Russell stated many times, he was not prophesying, he disclaimed that anything he stated was infallible, nor did Russell claim any special authority as being "central authority" to which everyone had to agree as the JW leadership does. Indeed, there were several differing opinions amongst the Bible Students concerning time prophecy and Bible chronology, and Russell mentioned and even presented differering views in the pages of the Watch Tower.

In 1909, Russell stated:

These 2520 years we believe will expire with October, 1914; at that time we believe the Gentile lease of power will expire, and that the God of heaven will set up his Kingdom in Israel. We do not expect universal peace to immediately ensue because Christ is styled the Prince of Peace. On the contrary, to our understanding the collapse of the nations will be through a fierce strife, “a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation,” in which “there shall be no peace to him that goeth out, nor to him that cometh in,” because God will set every man’s hand against his neighbor. Our belief is that the warfare between capital and labor, emperors and peoples, will be short, sharp, decisive, and bring untold calamity upon all concerned. If people could only discern it, they would avoid it, but their eyes are holden; they see not, neither do they understand. All the parties to the conflict are plunging into it, each intent on gaining its point, and each oblivious to its own best interests. — “Times of the Gentiles”, The National Labor Tribune, July 11, 1909.
http://www.mostholyfaith.com/bible/Newspaper_Sermons/NS46.asp

Although the conflict has not been as "short' as Russell was expecting, we have been in this conflict ever since 1914. Various groups have been clamoring for their supposed "rights", and the struggle for world control to secure whatever "rights" is being claimed is far from over, and will eventually bring mankind to the point as foretold in Psalm 107:26,27:

Their soul melts away because of trouble. They reel back and forth, and stagger like a drunken man, And are at their wits' end.

Once mankind has reached their wits end at trying to solve his own problems, they will be brought to their desired haven (Psam 107:28), into the time when Satan will be abyssed, and they will be blessed by the Kingom rule of Jesus and the saints.

In 1910, Russell stated:

I believe October, 1914, is the time when we may expect that great time of trouble, because it seems to our judgment, as far as we can understand the Scriptures, that is the time when the Gentile period of lease, or tenure, will expire, and when, therefore, we may expect that the time of trouble shall be ushered in; and that time of trouble we understand is the one the Scriptures tell about–a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, a time of trouble which shall overwhelm all sorts of government, and every institution of the present time; and a time of trouble which thus will make ready and prepare mankind for the glorious reign of Christ and his Church, for the blessing and uplifting of all the families of the earth. — What Pastor Russell Said, Question 555:4 (1910).
http://www.mostholyfaith.com/bible/QB/qb.asp?xRef=Q555:7#Q555:7.

Blessed hope for the heathen! The blessing of all the nations!!! Great joy that shall be for all the people! That was the emphasis, the core, of Russell's teachings. Oh how I will thank the Heavenly Father for how he has used Brother Russell to being forth these things out from the Bible. I do believe he was used in a special way! I am so saddened that Rutherford rejected the glad tidings Russell spent most of life in defense of and began to proclaim bad tidings of great woe of eternal destruction for most of the peoples in Armageddon!!!!

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

by Splash in

under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

splash.

reslight2

Christ Alone posted:

For kjw53 and Reslight to claim that Russel was right about ANYTHING, is to be avoiding the facts. Russel was wrong in every single one of his predictions, including 1914.

I do not claim that Russell was right about all things; Russell himself never claimed to be right about alll things. He never claimed to be a prophet, and plainly stated that he was not a prophet, and that his Studies should not be considered prophecy, but simply studies of the prophecies of the Bible. I have proven to myself from the Bible itself that Russell was right about most things, although he may have been wrong about some of the details. But I am speaking all of his works, not just his expectations regarding 1914.

Russell was right, I believe, in his expectation that the Gentile Times were to end in 1914, and what many call a figurative "lease" expired for the Gentile Kingdoms. I believe he was right in his expectation that the time of trouble was to begin in 1914. I believe that he was right in his expectation that Israel was to be restored to the promised land after the end of the Gentile Times, although he was wrong in expecting it to happen in 1914 or 1915.

Russell was wrong in expecting the harvest to end in 1914, as well as 1918.

Regardling the change of the saints (what many call "the rapture") in 1914, Russell tried to get his associates to not place too much emphasis on such, for as, he stated, there is no scripture that actually corresponds the change of the saints to the ending of the Gentiles; nevertheless, many Bible Students were placing a lot of emphasis on this expectation.

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

by Splash in

under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

splash.

reslight2

Christ Alone posted:

Sounds like kjw53 does not know his history. "Mr" Russell (or shouldn't you say Pastor?) did not prophecy that 1914 would see peace taken from the earth. 1914 was always to be the END, not the beginning of peace being removed.
"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble . Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
"Mr" Russel viewed 1914 as a minor date in comparrsion to all the other dates he prophesied about.
"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D." Studies in Scriptures Series IV (1897) p.621
"Mr" Russel believed that Armageddon was already in progress and would END in 1914:
"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 January 15 p.23

Since Russell, who was never speaking on behalf an authoritarian religious organization such the Jehovah's Witnesses, and who disclaimed eing a prophet, changed his viewpoint in 1904 -- ten years before 1914 -- quoting his statements before 1904 is misleading. As I stated, between the years 1904 to 1914 Russell was indeed expecting the time of trouble to begin, not end. Before 1904 he still held to Barbour's view that Armageddon was to end in 1914; however, he had long rejected Barbour's view that Armageddon had begun in 1874. From the time (I have not yet found the exact date) that Russell rejected Barbour's view that Armageddon had begun in 1874 on up to 1904, Russell believed that Armageddon was to begin a few years before 1914, perhaps 1910 or 1911 and end in 1914. In 1904, however, he concluded that Armageddon would stayed off untilf 1914. As I also said, however, his view of Armageddon was not the same as that of the JWs; he was not expecting that all unbelievers were to be eternally destroyed in 1914; he was expecting that the world was enter into a period of time of chatisement, in which they would disciplined preparatory to the blessings of God's Kingdom.

I gave a link earlier to many of Russell's statements concerning 1914 that he made between the years 1904 to 1914. Here it is again for those wo missed it.

http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=1301

And here are some more links
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=40

Russell never "prophesied" anything about any date at all. He did give his conclusions concerning what he was expecting concerning certain dates are time periods. From the very start of his public ministry, however, he disclaimed being a prophet, or that one should view his studies as being equivalent to the Bible.

I have been studying Russell's works for more than 50 years. I know that in his very earliest works he used the word "rapture" as related to the "change" of the saints. In the context, however, it should be apparent that he was not using it with the same meaning as given by the "rapture" dogma, especially that of many of the Second Adventists who were expecting the planet earth to be destroyed. Nor was he expecting that the saints were to be rise in their human bodies up into heaven, as I have seen some describe the "rapture".

Here are some links that provide searches of Russell's works for the word "rapture":

Please note that not all references that may come up are the words of Russell; also please note that the word "rapture" itself does not always refer to the doctrine of men called "the rapture". It's basic meaning is simply is that of ecstaticjoyordelight;joyfulecstasy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+site%3Amostholyfaith.com

https://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+site%3Aagsconsulting.com

https://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+site%3Actrussell.us

In his book, The Object and Manner of Our Lord's Return (1877), Russell used the word "rapture" only once:
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/russell/object.pdf

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

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under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

splash.

reslight2

mrsjones5 posted:

and when nothing happened he moved it to 1914. What a happifying cowinkydink!

No, Russell never moved it to 1914; the statement "when nothing happened" (relating to 1874), is nonsensical from the standpoint of actual history.

Russell himself never accepted that Christ had returned until 1876, about two years AFTER 1874. Why woud he -- in the year 1876 -- be accepting that Christ had returned in 1874 if he believed that "nothing happened" in 1874? In reality, Russell died in 1916 still holding to the belief that Christ had returned in 1874. He never moved it to 1914.

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

by Splash in

under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

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Poztate posted:

It’s been a good while since the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Brooklyn-headquartered Christian Restorationist denomination best known for eschewing holidays, rejecting blood transfusions and prolific doorbell-ringing activities, have unleashed an official Armageddon prediction. For a while there, particularly before the turn of the 20th century, forecasting the Second Coming of Christ was the Watchtower Society’s real bread and butter (the legal and administrative arm of Jehovah’s Witnesses seems more preoccupied with real estate transactions these days). Since its formation in the 1870s by minister and self-proclaimed “God’s mouthpiece” Charles Taze Russell, the Watchtower Society has fingered — and then revised — several specific Second Coming-centric predictions: 1878 (revised to 1881), 1914, 1918 and 1925. The most recent failed prediction came in 1975, a year, yet again, believed to be the beginning of Christ’s millennial reign. Starting in the late '60s and leading up to 1975, the church was mobilized by the “apparent” Armageddon (later cautiously downgraded to a mere “possibility”). Proselytizing activities increased, membership grew and many Witnesses went into full-on end days prep mode by selling property, cashing in insurance policies, etc. When 1975 came and went without incident, church leaders entered a serious period of denial, blame and regret (guess that’s what happens when you prophesize the end of the world and it doesn’t happen), initially claiming that the creation dates of Adam and Eve had been miscalculated resulting in prophetic error. Whoops.

Lest anyone be confused by all of the above, Charles Taze Russell was never a member of the JWs, nor did he ever seek to forbid anyone from celebrating holidays or blood transfusions. A comparatively few (called colportuers) of the Bible Students went door-to-door selling Studies in the Scriptures; there were many thousands (called volunteers) of Bible Students who distributed free literature door-to-door (usually without knocking at the door) or on sidewalks, etc. In that time, however, there did not exist the coercive methods of the JWs, who claim that such work is needed for salvation, being saved from eternal destruction in Armageddon, etc.

Russell was one of the main founders of the original Watch Tower Society; that Society, has he had intended for it to be, however, was virtually destroyed within a few weeks after his death.

The Watch Tower Society (which did not come into existence until 1881) in the days of Russell never made any prediction at all concerning Christ's "Second Coming". Nor did Russell himself ever make any prediction at all concerning Christ's Second Coming. In 1876, about two years after 1874, Russell accepted Barbour's conclusion that Christ had already returned in 1874, and Russell held to that belief until he died in 1916. Russell never said anything about Christ returning in 1878, 1881, 1914, or 1918. Russell rejected the idea that the year 1925 held any significance.

Russell did believe that he and all Christians (irrespective of denominational ties) are mouthpieces of God; he was not claiming any infallibility on his part nor on the part of Christians in general when made such statements. He never claimed to be the sole mouthpiece of God.

"The church" from Russell's standpoint, "is composed of consecrated followers of Christ irrespective of all denominational lines." (What Pastor Russell Wrote For The Overland Monthly, page 187).
http://www.mostholyfaith.com/bible/OverlandMonthly/overland.asp?xRef=OV187

"The Lord in Heaven records as members of His true Church all the saintly-whether Roman Catholics, Anglican Catholics, Greek Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, or Presbyterians, etc.-and none others.... We must see that the Church is a comparatively small company of Jesus' footstep followers, irrespective of sectarian lines."
http://rlctr.blogspot.com/2008/09/xf01-catholic-church.html