Posts by ILoveTTATT2

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

I found a book that might be of interest to everyone. It is academic and it told me exactly what I wanted to know. Cofty's book is great but it focuses on why the Earth is 4.5 billion years old (and it is something that the Watchtower agrees with), not on why mankind is more than 6000 years old (which is a major teaching point for the Watchtower).

http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~dmthieme/Geomorph/Walker_2005_QuaternaryDatingMethods.pdf

The interesting thing is that there are over 40 different dating methods, and they overlap in the times that can be dated... so there are, for every time period in the Quaternary, multiple methods of dating an artifact. The book is very detailed, but just by reading a bit of it (and other websites), we find that C14 dating usually errs on the side of dating something too young, not too old.

The Watchtower needs to kill any confidence in the dating of artifacts because it just cannot accept that the Bible is wrong on the chronology of mankind.

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

Thank you cofty, I will read it slowly. Yet again, the Watchtower promotes extreme scientific illiteracy.

I am impressed by how many different ways there are to date something nowadays, and that the methods agree and are trusted.

Interestingly, if there are any errors, the errors are generally dating something too young. So perhaps the 10,000 year ago pottery is more likely 12,000 years ago, not 8,000 years ago.

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

Thank you. I will take the time to read the various dating methods available.

Thanks!

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

Found this too:

An answer to creationist's attacks on c-14 dating:

http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

I found something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_man_of_the_Hohlenstein_Stadel

"The figurine was determined to be about 40,000 years old[1] by carbon datingmaterial from the same layer in which the sculpture was found."

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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

ILoveTTATT2

Hi!

Since coming out of the witnesses, I have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind. I started with the usual: I thought that Jesus was God. Then I investigated more about the Bible and thought that the Bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.

Then I investigated evolution and read lots and now I accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.

Now, I need to make my dad rethink everything. For evolution, I read a book called "Why evolution is true", full of amazing, well-explained proofs of evolution.

I want your help in getting the proof that there have been humans on this planet for more than 6000 years.

One proof is the Mitochondrial Eve and the Y-chromosomal Adam, but it relies on things that are "invisible" such as genes and gene mutation rates.

Another proof is the artifacts, such as the venuses, the flutes, the paintings...

My question is, how exactly are these things dated?

Is there a website or a place where I can read something like this:

This venus figurine is dated to 15,000 years ago, +/- 2000 years. It was dated using radiocarbon method, luminescence, tree ring count... and all the methods converged to that time, with a confidence of 95%.

???

Thanks!

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REMINDER: Monday, Aug. 3rd. 9 P.M. EST, ID DISCOVERY - New story about JW Robert Bryant

by AndersonsInfo in

id discovery series deadly devotion

read about it at: .

http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/deadly-devotion/tv-schedule/ .

ILoveTTATT2

I wanted to point out something, Barbara:

The show seems to imply that his disfellowshipping was more because he questioned the sexual abuse policies, and not because he thought he was anointed.

Possibly the fact that he thought he was anointed contributed to the murder-suicide.

In the interview with Sharon, that experience he had where he saw Jesus makes you question his sanity.

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REMINDER: Monday, Aug. 3rd. 9 P.M. EST, ID DISCOVERY - New story about JW Robert Bryant

by AndersonsInfo in

id discovery series deadly devotion

read about it at: .

http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/deadly-devotion/tv-schedule/ .

ILoveTTATT2

I finally did see it!

I should resurrect these threads:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24477/2nd-half-interview-sharon-roe

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/23585/another-family-jw-ties-murdered-oregon

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More Inspiring Young Awakenings

by freemindfade in

i just found these vidoes on youtube, maybe you have seen them already, but i thought i would share.

these canadian kids for me are courageous and inspiring.

more excellent public examples of non vitrial apostate awakening.

ILoveTTATT2

I know them in person. Great human beings.

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REMINDER: Monday, Aug. 3rd. 9 P.M. EST, ID DISCOVERY - New story about JW Robert Bryant

by AndersonsInfo in

id discovery series deadly devotion

read about it at: .

http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/deadly-devotion/tv-schedule/ .

ILoveTTATT2

Barbara, did you by chance record it? I sooo want to see it... but it seems that my "Investigation Discovery" is different... I am in Mexico.