NICE quote Blondie!
They really ignore what they want and use what they want to make their "case".
Misogyny has been a staple of the Watchtower since its beginning.
ILoveTTATT2
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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ILoveTTATT2
dhoh,
It depends on the individuals interpreting the Bible.
Some, such as these below, say that Deborah was not a judge in the sense that the males were. Their lines of reasoning (and Watchtower's too) are based on two things:1) Deborah did not save Israel directly, unlike the males.
2) Deborah is not listed in Hebrews 11:32, instead, Barak is mentioned.
https://unlockingfemininity.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/a-judge-or-not-a-judge-deborahs-story/
http://cbmw.org/uncategorized/the-womanliness-of-deborah/
This one gives other reasons, including that the OT should not govern the NT:
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/769-judges-4-deborah-the-woman-judge
Most sources admit she was a judge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah
http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb47.htm
This source counteracts the objections of the ones who say she was not a judge:
https://bible.org/article/deborah-woman-god-uses
This one defends Deborah as a full judge:
http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/deborah-and-the-no-available-men-argument/
It seems that the acceptance of Deborah as a judge is inversely proportional to your chauvinism/misogyny.But in relation to what is important to the Royal Comission, Deborah JUDGED in Israel. She made judgement calls, whether an Israelite had to be punished or not... She just wasn't a warrior.
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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ILoveTTATT2
As much as Jesus is not the Mediator of mankind but the "Mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the Watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".
Seems like Deborah judged in Israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean Debora was a judge. You see, Deborah was a "judge".
Why is that? Because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges. So there you go, because of our amazing Biblical understanding, we know that Deborah, even though she judged in Israel, was not a judge. She was a "judge".
Therefore, Mr. Jackson is right in saying that all judges in the Bible were men. Cause... when the Bible is clear, we have to make the Bible ambiguous. We have to make a word not really mean what it means.Kinda like in the novel 1984. No, wait. EXACTLY like in 1984.
*** it-2 p. 134 Judge ***
JUDGE
Men raised up by Jehovah to deliver his people prior to the period of Israel’s human kings were known as judges. (Jg 2:16) Moses, as mediator of the Law covenant and God-appointed leader, judged Israel for 40 years. But the period of Judges, as usually viewed, began with Othniel, sometime after the death of Joshua, and extended until Samuel the prophet. Samuel is not usually counted among the Judges. So the period of the Judges extended about 300 years.—Jg 2:16; Ac 13:20.
The judges were selected and appointed by Jehovah from various tribes of Israel. Between Joshua and Samuel, 12 judges (not including Deborah) are named, as follows
*** it-2 p. 135 Judges, Book of ***
The section running from chapter 3, verse 7, to the end of chapter 16 is, basically, in chronological order and relates the activities of 12 judges (not including Deborah), starting with Othniel and concluding with Samson.
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Barak, encouraged by the prophetess Deborah
*** it-1 p. 296 Bethel ***
During the period of the Judges, the dwelling place of Deborah the prophetess
*** it-1 p. 754 Ephraim ***
Later, Benjamite Judge Ehud assembled the Israelites in the mountainous region of Ephraim to fight against the Moabites. (Jg 3:26-30) After Ehud’s death the prophetess Deborah, from her residence in the mountainous region of Ephraim, sent for Barak as the one designated by Jehovah to deliver Israel from the oppression of King Jabin. In the victory song of Barak and Deborah, Ephraim is the first tribe to be mentioned.
*** it-2 p. 698 Prophetess ***
In the period of the Judges, Deborah served as a source of information from Jehovah, making known his judgments on certain matters and conveying his instruction, as in his commands to Barak.
*** w80 11/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***Questions From Readers● In view of Judges 4:4, can Deborah be viewed as one of the judges of ancient Israel, along with Samson, Gideon and others?The Bible account at Judges 4:4 reads: “Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that particular time.” Earlier, the account at Judges 2:16 says: “Jehovah would raise up judges, and they would save them out of the hand of their pillagers.” Thus the main work of a judge would be to save Israel from their enemies. It appears, then, that the phrase at Judges 4:4 about Deborah “judging Israel at that particular time” does not mean that Deborah was usurping the place of a man and that she was fulfilling all the duties of a judge in Israel. Unlike Samuel, Gideon or other judges she did not judge all Israel and act as their deliverer or “savior.” In fact, at Nehemiah 9:27 the term “saviors” is used rather than “judges.”—Compare Judges 3:9, 15.Being a prophetess, Deborah told Barak what Jehovah’s will was in the matter. She was used by Jehovah to call Barak to serve as judge for the overthrow of the enemy. Barak served as the “savior” provided by Jehovah, not Deborah, although Barak asked that Deborah go with him. So it is most unlikely that Deborah performed all the duties usually associated with the office of a judge in Israel, the most prominent of which was leading the tribes in warfare against Jehovah’s enemies.Thus, while Deborah can properly be described as a prophetess, it is only in a general sense that she was doing a measure of judging in Israel; she was not taking the full place of a male judge in Israel. Judges 4:5 says: “She was dwelling under Deborah’s palm tree between Ramah and Bethel in the mountainous region of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel would go up to her for judgment.” As for the matter of giving the Israelites Jehovah’s answer to difficult problems that would come up, this she could do because of Jehovah’s spirit being upon her.In contrast, Barak certainly was one who effected deliverance for the Israelites. The reasonable conclusion to draw is that Barak was a judge in the full sense of the word, and this is in accord with Hebrews 11:32, where he ranks among the judges of ancient Israel. Thus the book Aid to Bible Understanding, on page 980, in listing the judges of Israel, does not include Deborah. -
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ILoveTTATT2
Data-dog, having you laugh at one of my memes... is an honor sir!
I love yours!!
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Stats of conventions in Mexico
by ILoveTTATT2 ini just went to a convention in mazatlan, mexico.. i had wanted to do this for a very long time, it left me shaken a bit (because i had a confrontation of sorts with one jw who recognized me), but i got some stats that give some insight into the borg.
it really is crumbling, even in the places where they have arguably had the best, wildest success in the world: mexico.. just so you can see how much they have success in mexico compared to the us or anywhere else:.
top three countries in 2014 were:.
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ILoveTTATT2
I just went to a convention in Mazatlan, Mexico.
I had wanted to do this for a very long time, it left me shaken a bit (because I had a confrontation of sorts with one JW who recognized me), but I got some stats that give some insight into the Borg. It really is crumbling, even in the places where they have arguably had the best, wildest success in the world: Mexico.
Just so you can see how much they have success in Mexico compared to the US or anywhere else:
Top three countries in 2014 were:
US: 1.2M max pubs
Mexico: 829k max pubs
Brazil: 794k max pubsBut look at the ratios, way more important measure of success in a country:
US: 1 JW per 259 people
Mexico: 1JW per 149 people
Brazil: 1 JW per 256 peopleSo, ratio-wise, the JW's in Mexico do 70% better than the US or Brazil. In a few years, Mexico will be the #1 JW country in the world.
And yet, even there:
There were 2900 people in attendance. 28 people baptized. If all were JW, this is a ratio of ~1%. Assuming that 80% of people attending are publishers or baptized JW's, this means that, at best, this is a 1.2% increase in publishers.
This is anemic growth! GREAT NEWS!
What was sad was the demographics of the people getting baptized.
Out of the 28 baptized, 17 were women, 11 men.
of the men:
3 looked under 18
7 looked from 18-65
1 looked 65+of the women:
8 looked under 18
8 looked 18-65
1 looked 65+The man that was obviously 65+ had a very hard time getting baptized, he said he almost choked after the first dipping, but they had to dip him again because his hands were out. I just thought... stupid, fundamentalist idiots...
I feel so sad for the 11 young people who have potentially just ruined their lives.
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GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inokay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.
but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.
so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.
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Part 1 Video UP Geoffrey Jacksons questioning at the Australia Commission
by Watchtower-Free in1st half to nights video .
higher quality later.
http://youtu.be/quud_f1jr7e .
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GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inokay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.
but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.
so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.
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ILoveTTATT2
So... I predict (in full JW style, I might be totally wrong, so I will pretend I didn't say this)...
That perhaps... next week... we will hear "Geoffrey Jackson is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"Done. They got rid of him, and back to usual.
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Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years
by ILoveTTATT2 insince coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.
i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.
then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.
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ILoveTTATT2
I found a book that might be of interest to everyone. It is academic and it told me exactly what I wanted to know. Cofty's book is great but it focuses on why the Earth is 4.5 billion years old (and it is something that the Watchtower agrees with), not on why mankind is more than 6000 years old (which is a major teaching point for the Watchtower).
http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~dmthieme/Geomorph/Walker_2005_QuaternaryDatingMethods.pdfThe interesting thing is that there are over 40 different dating methods, and they overlap in the times that can be dated... so there are, for every time period in the Quaternary, multiple methods of dating an artifact. The book is very detailed, but just by reading a bit of it (and other websites), we find that C14 dating usually errs on the side of dating something too young, not too old.
The Watchtower needs to kill any confidence in the dating of artifacts because it just cannot accept that the Bible is wrong on the chronology of mankind.
