Posts by ILoveTTATT2

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Are you an agronomist or a farmer? If so, I need your help. Related to Miracle Wheat

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am doing some investigation on the miracle wheat episode, and i have a question that i don't know the answer to, and i can't find the answer online.. it seems that, from what i have learnt online, that wheat is a self-pollinating, "perfect flower".

this means that once there is a strain that has a quality that's desirable, all you have to do is plant it, and that feature will remain "forever".

essentially the new plants are all clones.given that information, this statement by penton does not make sense:.

ILoveTTATT2

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y4011e/y4011e0v.htm

Quite an "obscure" topic but the internet is amazing!!

Essentially, if there is a new type, it MUST be bred PRECISELY to insure that a certain characteristic stays. Wheat plants are NOT clones (unlike what I thought), so they CAN lose "vitality" if they are not carefully raised in a certain fashion for various generations.

I have learnt quite a lot about wheat recently and noe have a much clearer idea of what REALLY happened with the Miracle Wheat scenario.

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Are you an agronomist or a farmer? If so, I need your help. Related to Miracle Wheat

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

i am doing some investigation on the miracle wheat episode, and i have a question that i don't know the answer to, and i can't find the answer online.. it seems that, from what i have learnt online, that wheat is a self-pollinating, "perfect flower".

this means that once there is a strain that has a quality that's desirable, all you have to do is plant it, and that feature will remain "forever".

essentially the new plants are all clones.given that information, this statement by penton does not make sense:.

ILoveTTATT2

I am learning a lot Talesin!

Turns out that there is sexual and asexual reproduction in plants, but also there is self-pollination and cross-pollination.

Both corn and wheat have sexual reproduction.

Corn needs cross-pollination. Wheat self-pollinates, in general.

This means that wheat will retain qualities for longer than corn, but it could lose them.

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Are you an agronomist or a farmer? If so, I need your help. Related to Miracle Wheat

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

i am doing some investigation on the miracle wheat episode, and i have a question that i don't know the answer to, and i can't find the answer online.. it seems that, from what i have learnt online, that wheat is a self-pollinating, "perfect flower".

this means that once there is a strain that has a quality that's desirable, all you have to do is plant it, and that feature will remain "forever".

essentially the new plants are all clones.given that information, this statement by penton does not make sense:.

ILoveTTATT2

Hi Talesin,

What you stated holds for corn but doesn't for wheat.

From what I have read so far (and it's a lot!), wheat retains new characteristics because it's essentially cloned.

Corn combines genetic material so hybrids lose their potency after a while.

Shouldn't happen with wheat.

More likely it's what Hoser said... There was never any "vitality" to begin with.

I am piecing together the puzzle and the view I get is completely different than other researchers have concluded.

Russell was essentially conned and didn't get the memo that the person who sold the original was proven to be bullshitting everyone... He originally sold the wheat for 1.25 a pound (75 times commercial value), then sold it for 5 per bushel (still 5 times commercial value) because the USDA essentially told him "you're full of shit". This happened about the time that Russell started selling it at 1 per pound (60 times commercial value)...

Russell thought it was the "hottest thing since sliced bread" ;)

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Are you an agronomist or a farmer? If so, I need your help. Related to Miracle Wheat

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

i am doing some investigation on the miracle wheat episode, and i have a question that i don't know the answer to, and i can't find the answer online.. it seems that, from what i have learnt online, that wheat is a self-pollinating, "perfect flower".

this means that once there is a strain that has a quality that's desirable, all you have to do is plant it, and that feature will remain "forever".

essentially the new plants are all clones.given that information, this statement by penton does not make sense:.

ILoveTTATT2

Hi,

I am doing some investigation on the Miracle Wheat episode, and I have a question that I don't know the answer to, and I can't find the answer online.

It seems that, from what I have learnt online, that wheat is a self-pollinating, "perfect flower". This means that once there is a strain that has a quality that's desirable, all you have to do is plant it, and that feature will remain "forever". Essentially the new plants are all clones.

Given that information, this statement by Penton does not make sense:

He was evidently quite sincere in selling the famous grain but was more positive about its qualities than he should have been. Miracle Wheat was apparently no more than a mutant strain, a “sport.” It soon lost its outstanding vitality and was not, as he believed, a sign that the earth was soon to be restored to paradisiacal conditions.

Why did the "miracle wheat" lose its outstanding vitality? Wouldn't it remain if what I understand about wheat is true?

P.S. I have already asked some agronomists, waiting for their response. But if someone here knows about it, why not?

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I need someone who lives in Melbourne to do me a huge favor

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am researching jw history, and i am doing research on ernest henninges.. he wrote a journal called the new covenant advocate and kingdom herald.

i just want a scan of the first issue, if that would be possible?.

please pm me!.

ILoveTTATT2

I didn't get what you meant Nathan...

Anyways... Atlantis got the info I needed!

Thanks everyone!

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Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

by DwainBowman in

back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

dose anyone else remember this?

i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!