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  Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

  this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

  supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BzWUuZN5w
  
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  Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

  this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

  supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

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  I didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years. This is called the "minimum viable population".

  
  Genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark. Supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.
  
  This is interesting:
  
  "An MVP of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.[3][4] When inbreeding effects are included, estimates of MVP for many species are in the thousands. Based on a meta-analysis of reported values in the literature for many species, Traill et al. reported a median MVP of 4,169 individuals.[5]"
  
  4169 individuals PER SPECIES are required to have the species survive. Otherwise there is not enough genetic variation to survive, there would be massive extinction the moment the species encountered anything that would be harmful to its genetic pool (which would be very limited).
  
  
  If you want to read more, here's the article on Wikipedia:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population
  
  
  
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  Today I went to a JW cult meeting . Still recovering

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  today i went to a jw cult meeting .

  still recovering.

  congo i was raised in.

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  Hugs. It takes a lot of courage and I admire you because deep inside I am sure you hated every second but you did that sacrifice for your family.

  I applaud you!
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  New study - JWs by far the least educated religious group in Canada, Australia and New Zealand

  by slimboyfat in

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  the religion of the educated classes revisited: new religions, the nonreligious, and educational levels - james r. lewis .

  the measure lewis uses to compare religious groups is what percentage of members of the respective religions have graduated from college.

  the findings are similar to the results of the pew survey in the united states.

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  Too bad you have to buy the full text... =(
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  If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  1 chronicles 18:4. .

  na .

  na .

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  Stuckinatut... Thank you! Same as my work but actually fun!!
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  If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  1 chronicles 18:4. .

  na .

  na .

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  If you can't see the table well,
  
  See this link:

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gF4Mp28UzRFcejM9qixShpCn9NxL3sR0BzNhd7E9vSY
  
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  If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  1 chronicles 18:4. .

  na .

  na .

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  I took the time to compare the different accounts in 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings with 1-2 Chronicles.
  
  I compared both the Masoretic Text (based on the New World Translation) and the Septuagint (based on NETS).
  
  Since apologists usually can weasel out of contradictions in things such as whether Jehovah feels regret or he doesn't, but numbers are much harder to explain when they're different, I have made a list of the differences in the numbers expressed in the various scriptures.
  
  Judge for yourself. How can there be so many differences in the numbers of things? There are multiple differences in the same chapter sometimes!

  Scripture 1	Scripture 2	Scripture 3	MT1	LXX1	MT2	LXX2	MT3	LXX3
  2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		1,700	1,000	1,000	1,000	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		(included)	7,000	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 8:13	1 Chronicles 18:12	Psalm 60 (59 in LXX) superscript	18,000	18,000	18,000	18,000	12,000	12,000
  2 Samuel 10:18	1 Chronicles 19:18		700	700	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		800,000	800,000	1,100,000	1,100,000	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		500,000	500,000	470,000	480,000	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 24:13	1 Chronicles 21:12		7	3	3	3	NA	NA
  2 Samuel 24:24	1 Chronicles 21:25		50 silver	50 silver	600 gold	600 gold	NA	NA
  1 Kings 7:26	2 Chronicles 4:5		2,000	(omits)	3,000	3,000	NA	NA
  1 Kings 9:23	2 Chronicles 8:10		550	(omits)	250	250	NA	NA
  1 Kings 9:28	2 Chronicles 8:18		420	120	450	450	NA	NA
  1 Kings 10:26	2 Chronicles 9:25		1,400	4,000	4,000	4,000	NA	NA
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  Happy Pi Day

  by dothemath in

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  tomorrow is march 14 (3.14), so its known as pi day, to honour the all-important constant.. incidentally, the bible has been criticized by mathematicians because the scriptures give a very poor value of pi.. the scripture is based on 1kings 7: 23 and reads as follows:.

  "and he proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its one brim to its other brim, circular all around; and its height was five cubits, and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it".

  now that shape is actually mathematically impossible to construct, because if the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference would have to be 31.4159 cubits.

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  It gets worse - The Septuagint (LXX) implies that Pi is 3.3, because it says that the circumference was 33 cubits.

  TRY EXPLAINING THAT ONE! xD
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Even it turned out that Jesus made the first cell out of angel farts evolution still stands beyond all reasonable doubt.
  

  LMAO!! Love it!!
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  Comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text: Genealogies in Genesis 5

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  i started a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.it is here:https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-textfor those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

  i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. and more than anything else, the most striking differences between the septuagint and the masoretic text have to be the genealogies of genesis 5.. the genealogies of genesis 5 are crucial to the jehovah's witnesses, the adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.why is that?because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they have to use genesis 5. and, if the numbers in genesis 5 in the bible most people in the western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.so, what are the differences?the account tells the ages in this format:x person lived for y years.

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  I started a thread comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic text.
  
  It is here:
  
  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-text
  
  For those who do not know what the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are, here's an introduction on Wikipedia:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

  I think that, more than anything else, the fact that the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the Bible.

  And more than anything else, the most striking differences between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text have to be the genealogies of Genesis 5.

  The genealogies of Genesis 5 are CRUCIAL to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.
  
  Why is that?
  
  Because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they HAVE to use Genesis 5. And, if the numbers in Genesis 5 in the Bible most people in the Western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.
  
  So, what are the differences?
  
  The account tells the ages in this format:
  
  X person lived for Y years. Then he had a son. Then he lived for Z more years, so his total lifespan was A years.
  
  Let's start with Adam in the Masoretic Text (New World Translation, 1984 version):
  
  (Genesis 5:3-5) 3 And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters. 5 So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.
  
  So we have:
  

  Adam, 130 + 800 = 930.
  
  What does the Septuagint say?
  
  Genesis 5:3-5, NETS:
  
  Now Adam lived two hundred thirty years and became a father, according to his form and according to his image and named his name Seth. And the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth amounted to seven hundred years, and he had sons and daughters. And all the days of Adam, that he lived, amounted to nine hundred thirty years, and he died.
  
  Adam, 230 + 700 = 930.
  
  You might say at this moment, "so what? At the end of the day, it says that Adam lived for the same amount of time." That is true, but the most important number in this format is the first one. There are 100 years of difference between Adam becoming father to Seth in the MT and the LXX.
  
  What about the rest of the people in Genesis 5?
  
  You can see them here:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogies_of_Genesis#Genesis_numbers
  
  The first number in the list in Genesis is added up with all the generations (and then added with the same formula in Genesis 11), and we get:
  
  The MT gives 1946 years from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham.
  The LXX gives 3312 years from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham.
  
  QUITE THE DIFFERENCE!
  
  This would make the Jehovah's Witnesse's "1975", when supposedly 6000 years of human existence ended, in 609 A.D.
  
  We would be in the year 7,407 after creation if we were to base ourselves on the LXX instead of the MT.
  
  This, just this, is enough for some (me included) to stop believing that the Bible is true and inerrant.