Posts by ILoveTTATT2

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Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

ILoveTTATT2

If you need a viable population of some thousands, how come it has been possible to re-establish animal populations based on only a handfull of individuals? In many cases, they have managed to gather the 2, 3 4 or so living individuals of a kind, make them mate and after a few years they have been successfully re-introduced on their island or in their region and now are as safe as any animal population can be these days.

Uh... no.

First of all, there are very few examples of this. It is rare, but possible, in cases of extreme luck, to get a bottleneck that narrow and still have the population rebound. I read about two examples:

Cheetahs and elephant seals. In the case of elephant seals, the numbers were down to around 20, and now they are around 30,000. Cheetahs are pretty much identical genetically, and they went through an extreme bottleneck around 10,000 years ago.

But they are not "as safe as any animal population can be these days". Genetically speaking, they are at a very high risk. One disease for which they are all susceptible and they die out.

So my point stands, most species need a minimum viable population that is in the hundreds to thousands of individuals to survive.

Two individuals is just not possible without sky-daddy magic.

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Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

ILoveTTATT2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BzWUuZN5w

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Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

ILoveTTATT2

I didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years. This is called the "minimum viable population".

Genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark. Supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.

This is interesting:

"An MVP of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.[3][4] When inbreeding effects are included, estimates of MVP for many species are in the thousands. Based on a meta-analysis of reported values in the literature for many species, Traill et al. reported a median MVP of 4,169 individuals.[5]"

4169 individuals PER SPECIES are required to have the species survive. Otherwise there is not enough genetic variation to survive, there would be massive extinction the moment the species encountered anything that would be harmful to its genetic pool (which would be very limited).

If you want to read more, here's the article on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population

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Today I went to a JW cult meeting . Still recovering

by Watchtower-Free in

today i went to a jw cult meeting .

still recovering.

congo i was raised in.

ILoveTTATT2

Hugs. It takes a lot of courage and I admire you because deep inside I am sure you hated every second but you did that sacrifice for your family.

I applaud you!

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New study - JWs by far the least educated religious group in Canada, Australia and New Zealand

by slimboyfat in

the religion of the educated classes revisited: new religions, the nonreligious, and educational levels - james r. lewis .

the measure lewis uses to compare religious groups is what percentage of members of the respective religions have graduated from college.

the findings are similar to the results of the pew survey in the united states.

ILoveTTATT2

Too bad you have to buy the full text... =(

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If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

1 chronicles 18:4. .

na .

ILoveTTATT2

Stuckinatut... Thank you! Same as my work but actually fun!!

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If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

1 chronicles 18:4. .

na .

ILoveTTATT2

If you can't see the table well,

See this link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gF4Mp28UzRFcejM9qixShpCn9NxL3sR0BzNhd7E9vSY

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If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

1 chronicles 18:4. .

na .

ILoveTTATT2

I took the time to compare the different accounts in 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings with 1-2 Chronicles.

I compared both the Masoretic Text (based on the New World Translation) and the Septuagint (based on NETS).

Since apologists usually can weasel out of contradictions in things such as whether Jehovah feels regret or he doesn't, but numbers are much harder to explain when they're different, I have made a list of the differences in the numbers expressed in the various scriptures.

Judge for yourself. How can there be so many differences in the numbers of things? There are multiple differences in the same chapter sometimes!

Scripture 1	Scripture 2	Scripture 3	MT1	LXX1	MT2	LXX2	MT3	LXX3
2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		1,700	1,000	1,000	1,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		(included)	7,000	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 8:13	1 Chronicles 18:12	Psalm 60 (59 in LXX) superscript	18,000	18,000	18,000	18,000	12,000	12,000
2 Samuel 10:18	1 Chronicles 19:18		700	700	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		800,000	800,000	1,100,000	1,100,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		500,000	500,000	470,000	480,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:13	1 Chronicles 21:12		7	3	3	3	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:24	1 Chronicles 21:25		50 silver	50 silver	600 gold	600 gold	NA	NA
1 Kings 7:26	2 Chronicles 4:5		2,000	(omits)	3,000	3,000	NA	NA
1 Kings 9:23	2 Chronicles 8:10		550	(omits)	250	250	NA	NA
1 Kings 9:28	2 Chronicles 8:18		420	120	450	450	NA	NA
1 Kings 10:26	2 Chronicles 9:25		1,400	4,000	4,000	4,000	NA	NA

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Happy Pi Day

by dothemath in

tomorrow is march 14 (3.14), so its known as pi day, to honour the all-important constant.. incidentally, the bible has been criticized by mathematicians because the scriptures give a very poor value of pi.. the scripture is based on 1kings 7: 23 and reads as follows:.

"and he proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its one brim to its other brim, circular all around; and its height was five cubits, and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it".

now that shape is actually mathematically impossible to construct, because if the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference would have to be 31.4159 cubits.

ILoveTTATT2

It gets worse - The Septuagint (LXX) implies that Pi is 3.3, because it says that the circumference was 33 cubits.

TRY EXPLAINING THAT ONE! xD

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

ILoveTTATT2

Even it turned out that Jesus made the first cell out of angel farts evolution still stands beyond all reasonable doubt.

LMAO!! Love it!!