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I've made my case.
In your case there still needs to be proof of what sparky1 said.
"There is a J. (John) F. Rutherford who was from Missouri and was later in Arkansas who was president of the Bluff City Lumber Company." - Jeffro
Since you have made this claim, please provide documentation that John F. Rutherford was from Missouri. That would help to confirm your assertion and get the discussion moving in the right direction.
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So here is Jetthro's logic:
This man referred to in the article below could just as easily be Joseph F. Rutherford or John F. Rutherford, because there may have been other J.F. Rutherfords in Boonville, Missouri which had political interests.
Here's why I believe this doesn't apply:
Almost every single time, the newspapers from Missouri use the first and middle initials and then Rutherford, to refer to Joseph Franklin Rutherford. The newspapers from Arkansas almost always say that their J.F. Rutherford is from Pine Bluff.
If I am wrong about the Knights of Pythias, then the historians are wrong about J.F. Rutherford's political activities in his time before the Watchtower, because the newspapers, which seem to be their sources, only use J.F. and not the full name.
I still say that the level of doubt created is not appropriate.
Again, still waiting for a response from the Knights of Pythias organization and more newspaper clippings from the Boonville Advertiser that have to do with the Knights of Pythias, but for now this is my best answer as to why I believe Jethro is wrong.
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I looked at dozens of newspapers, and I am still waiting for other Boonville Advertiser articles, but here are the reasons why I assert it is Joseph Franklin Rutherford:
1) Small town, 4400 people.
2) He always appears in articles using the same initials, but it's not questioned whether it's him because there are other factors such as a) mentioned in relation to lawyers or b) mentioned in relation to the democratic party.
But the same skepticism could be applied here: ONLY THE INITIALS APPEAR. Could there have been TWO J.F. Rutherfords who were involved in laws in Boonville, Missouri, except one was John F. and the other Joseph F.? It's a little ridiculous. J.F. Rutherford, in Boonville, Missouri, involved in laws or the democratic party, is automatically assumed to be Joseph Franklin Rutherford.
However, I found an "Hon. J.F. Rutherford from Pine Bluff" article, and an "Hon. J.F. Rutherford from Boonvillle" article. According to your logic, it could have happened. But no.
You mention that John F. moved from Missouri to Arkansas. Proof of that?
3) In other articles, he is not mentioned in relation to laws or the democratic party, but he is mentioned, always, as "J.F. Rutherford, from Boonville". In many cases, he is noted to be a brilliant orator.
Therefore, since we have:
A J.F. Rutherford in the Boonville Advertiser being involved in a fraternal organization which could help in getting good contacts for a lawyer who wants to run for office, who is involved in public speaking for this organization, it can be safely assumed it's him. Same newspaper, same town, same first, middle intials and last name, similar public activities...
I have not contested your Wikipedia change, since for now I only have indirect proof. But I think that your John F. from Pine Bluff has no bearing on this.
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I am looking through dozens of newspapers, and every single time, when they mention J.F. Rutherford, of Boonville, MO, you can tell it's Joseph Franklin because they associate him with something related to law.
The newspapers seemed to always say "J.F. Rutherford, of Boonville" in the Missouri Newspapers.
In Arkansas Newspapers, they mentioned "J.F. Rutherford, of Pine Bluff".
But they're two different places in two different states!
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I only pay for access to UK records, so unfortunately not able to check US censuses, but to give an idea, listed in the 1871 UK census, there are 17 different Joseph Rutherfords born around 1869 and 64 John Rutherfords . If anyone has access to the US Ancestry website, you will very likely find similar results, including the Joseph and John in question.So we have 5 J.R.'s in Missouri. How many J. F. Rutherfords though?
The free Latter Day Saints website lists 71 Joseph Rutherfords alive in the 1880 census, including 5 in Missouri.
Safe to assume it's him. But now I want a "smoking gun" proof.
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Population of Boonville, MO in 1900 was 4377 according to Wikipedia. Two J.F. Rutherfords among 4377 people?
I highly doubt it.
I need to get more clippings from this newspaper.
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It is most likely him.
Here's another time where he appeared in the same newspaper.
http://truthhistory.blogspot.mx/2012/12/j-f-rutherfords-first-book.html
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I contacted the Knights of Pythias organization. When I have an answer I will let you all know.
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Steve,
The info was passed on to me by a person who follows my exJW facebook page. Upon investigation, it seems like this person got that info from here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TMKD6NCLPTF6KEHE7/p2
"Hi SOSSOS. Regarding Rutherford's membership in the Knights of Pythias, see the January 20, 1899 Boonville (Missouri) Weekly Advertiser (Volume 53, Number 20) page 1, lists the local membership which includes Joseph F. Rutherford. See also the January 13, 1898 Boonville Weekly Advertiser, page 1, where J. F. Rutherford was elected toastmaster for the Knights. The notice said that he was a good one.
Rutherford's membership in the Woodmen of the World is mentioned in the February 17. 1899 Boonville Advertiser, page 1.
This information in on microfilm and is available for researchers at the Missouri State Historical Society."
When you actually look at the newspaper, however, it is only the initials, J.F. that are used, not "Joseph".
Again, I have no idea how to actually prove that this JF Rutherford was actually Joseph Franklin Rutherford.
Any ideas?
