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2017 Kingdom Hall in Chile with Flag with Meeting
by ILoveTTATT2 infinally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the kingdom hall, while a meeting was happening.here is the video:https://youtu.be/uel3otw6gemi will post this year's pictures below.
this year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag!.
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2017 Kingdom Hall in Chile with Flag with Meeting
by ILoveTTATT2 infinally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the kingdom hall, while a meeting was happening.here is the video:https://youtu.be/uel3otw6gemi will post this year's pictures below.
this year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag!.
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When you think about it is it such a big deal ? According to Rom.13 ,Christians are to be in subjection to the superior authorities ,the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.
That's one way of looking at it. But, for the Watchtower, putting up the flag in the Kingdom Hall is absolutely wrong according to their own standards. Here's why:
And displaying a flag should no more be a problem than standing for a judge in a court of law .
Its just a matter of showing respect for the office in question.
*** w87 6/1 pp. 21-22 ‘My Cup Has Been Full’ *** I must confess that it came somewhat as a surprise to us that our children took a stand in school as they did. Of course, we had taught them respect for the country and the flag, and we had also taught them God’s commandments about not bowing down to images and idols.
*** w76 3/15 p. 184 par. 8 Reconciliation Through God’s Mercy Before Har–Magedon ***In modern times, opposition to worshiping anything idolatrous was demonstrated by the remnant of spiritual Israelites, whom Jehovah used his Messiah Jesus to release from Babylon the Great in 1919 C.E. They have striven to render exclusive devotion to Jehovah as their God, even to the extent of refusing to salute the flag of any nation. (Ex. 20:1-6; 2 Cor. 6:15 through 7:1) They just will not contaminate themselves with anything that looks like Baal worship.
*** w76 11/1 p. 655 Insight on the News ***The Flag—“A Living Thing?”● Rules governing the use of the American flag have been revised for the first time in thirty-four years. The new legislation affects when the flag may be displayed and its authorized location on automobiles; it also deletes the hand-over-heart salute requirement for women. The revised code also adds: “The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.”If the flag is officially considered to be “a living thing,” can it be said that Christians who respectfully decline to join in the flag ceremony are unreasonable in citing as their basis the Bible’s command to “flee from idolatry”? (1 Cor. 10:14) Author Whitney Smith, director of the Flag Research Center and considered America’s top expert on flags, advocates flying and saluting the flag. Yet even he recently admitted that “we’ve turned the flag into a civil religion.”
*** w74 1/15 p. 62 Questions From Readers ***It should be kept in mind that a national flag is more than a piece of cloth. It is officially viewed as a sacred symbol of a nation and is treated with reverence. When worn out, for example, the national practice often rules that the flag is not to be disposed of unceremoniously, but is to be ‘destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.’ There are also regulations governing the hoisting, lowering, folding, flying and displaying of flags. Saluting or pledging allegiance to the flag is considered as a reverent act, an act of sacred devotion, and since the flag is an image of the State, such an act constitutes a form of idolatry.—Compare Exodus 20:4-6; 1 John 5:21.While not discouraging others from saluting the flag of any nation, Jehovah’s Christian witnesses feel that they can give such worship only to Jehovah God. They have due respect for the flag of their respective countries, but for them to idolize the flag of any nation and engage in acts of worship to an image of the State would be an act of unfaithfulness toward God and disloyalty toward the kingdom of God’s Son.
Etc etc... there are plenty more quotes like that.
The flag is considered to be an idol.
Would the witnesses accept to "just place" or "just display" a Virgin Mary statue in the Kingdom Hall if it was a law? Wouldn't every single witness say it's definitely a case of "obeying God rather than men", and would be glad to pay the fine? -
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Just a story to share
by sinboi inguy a and guy b were in bondage for a long time.
during this period, they have endured a lot of suffering and hardship.. somehow, they managed to escape from their captors.. guy a was very happy that he regained his freedom.
he put everything behind him, work hard and succeeded in building up a career.. 10 years later, he met guy b. he asked guy b what he has been doing for the past 10 years.. guy b replied :" i can't forget how we suffered while in bondage.
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There is nothing wrong with being guy A. I am perfectly happy if most people who free themselves from the Watchtower end up being guy A, in fact.
Don't be Guy B of the first parable... that's wrong. Holding on to grudges and stuff for many years can hurt you.
But you can be Guy B from the second one without being Guy B from the first one... Be an activist but have your own life.
Now, let's all get together and have a beer and some barbecue ;)
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Just a story to share
by sinboi inguy a and guy b were in bondage for a long time.
during this period, they have endured a lot of suffering and hardship.. somehow, they managed to escape from their captors.. guy a was very happy that he regained his freedom.
he put everything behind him, work hard and succeeded in building up a career.. 10 years later, he met guy b. he asked guy b what he has been doing for the past 10 years.. guy b replied :" i can't forget how we suffered while in bondage.
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ILoveTTATT2
Guy A and guy B were in bondage for a long time. During this period, they have endured a lot of suffering and hardship.
Somehow, they managed to escape from their captors.
Guy A was very happy that he regained his freedom. He put everything behind him, work hard and succeeded in building up a career.
10 years later, he met guy B. He asked guy B what he has been doing for the past 10 years.
Guy B said: I've been helping others escape their captors. Although this means I have to be close to my former captors, it gives me immense pleasure to know that I have freed over 100 more people!
Guy A and Guy B then went for a beer, happy they were both out and had used their lives well.
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2017 Kingdom Hall in Chile with Flag with Meeting
by ILoveTTATT2 infinally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the kingdom hall, while a meeting was happening.here is the video:https://youtu.be/uel3otw6gemi will post this year's pictures below.
this year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag!.
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I think the GB instructed the Chilean congregations to go ahead and fly the flag because they were not going to pay the $400 dollar fine as of course the Chilean congregations don't have that kind of money each year.
The congregations are instructed to decide if they want to put up the flag or not. About 10 years ago, most congregations put up the flag. Now it's getting rarer for congregations to put the flag, because of tremendously bad PR now that people are taking videos and pictures of this. Unfortunately, the fine is almost never enforced... so the KH's can get away with not putting the flag AND not paying the fine... if they wanted to. -
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2017 Kingdom Hall in Chile with Flag with Meeting
by ILoveTTATT2 infinally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the kingdom hall, while a meeting was happening.here is the video:https://youtu.be/uel3otw6gemi will post this year's pictures below.
this year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag!.
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ILoveTTATT2
bad quality video
That's because they're only supposed to put up the flag on September 18 and 19, their Independence Day celebrations.
but quite courageous to make it in KH
We see the flag at time 0:58 behind the window
The KH is here. but in Google streetview we didn't see the flags -
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Chile Flag on a Kingdom Hall while Meeting was Happening: 2017 Video
by ILoveTTATT2 inwe finally have the video that i had been waiting for.... a video of the chilean flag on the kingdom hall showing a meeting happening while the flag was there on the kingdom hall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uel3otw6gemthis year we got a record three kingdom halls with pictures and videos with the flag..
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We finally have the video that I had been waiting for...
A video of the Chilean flag on the Kingdom Hall showing a meeting happening while the flag was there on the Kingdom Hall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEl3OtW6GEM
This year we got a record three Kingdom Halls with pictures and videos with the flag. -
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2017 Kingdom Hall in Chile with Flag with Meeting
by ILoveTTATT2 infinally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the kingdom hall, while a meeting was happening.here is the video:https://youtu.be/uel3otw6gemi will post this year's pictures below.
this year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag!.
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ILoveTTATT2
Finally, after 5 years, we have received footage that shows, unmistakably, that there was a flag in the Kingdom Hall, while a meeting was happening.
Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/UEl3OtW6GEM
I will post this year's pictures below. This year we had pictures and video of three different kingdom halls with the flag! -
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7.1 Earthquake hits Mexico City
by ILoveTTATT2 in2 earthquakes in less than a month.... witnesses are going to have a field day with this... bounce back from that decline.....
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They do. For all intents and purposes this was a VERY LOW death toll, considering there are nearly 30 million people living in the area.One might have though that they woul have better protection in a major country and capital city....
It works out to 0.83 persons / 100,000This is actually a success, a measure of how good technology is nowadays.
If we compare apples to apples, this earthquake was 80% less deadly than the 1985 earthquake, and if we compare raw numbers, 97.5% less deaths. -
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It's 110% impossible to deny now: Video evidence of the Chile flags
by ILoveTTATT2 inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0auklk0uq8&feature=youtu.be.
this video leaves no doubt whatsoever.
the person who took the video got really close and the video clearly shows that the flag is behind the glass and behind the bars protecting the kingdom hall.
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2017:
With footage taken inside the Kingdom Hall while meeting was happening:
