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ILoveTTATT2
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UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses
by stan livedeath injust see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales
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Stats of conventions in Mexico
by ILoveTTATT2 ini just went to a convention in mazatlan, mexico.. i had wanted to do this for a very long time, it left me shaken a bit (because i had a confrontation of sorts with one jw who recognized me), but i got some stats that give some insight into the borg.
it really is crumbling, even in the places where they have arguably had the best, wildest success in the world: mexico.. just so you can see how much they have success in mexico compared to the us or anywhere else:.
top three countries in 2014 were:.
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ILoveTTATT2
Convention #2 data:
Attendance: 2750
Baptized: 24
Percentage assuming 100% JW: 0.87%
Percentage assuming 80% JW: 1.09%
Women: 16
Men: 8
Under 18 women: 9
Women from 18-65: 5
Women 65+: 2
Men under 18: 3
Men from 18-65: 4
Men 65+: 1
I would consider "boys" all three of the men under 18.
I would consider "girls" 5/9 of the women under 18
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Stats of conventions in Mexico
by ILoveTTATT2 ini just went to a convention in mazatlan, mexico.. i had wanted to do this for a very long time, it left me shaken a bit (because i had a confrontation of sorts with one jw who recognized me), but i got some stats that give some insight into the borg.
it really is crumbling, even in the places where they have arguably had the best, wildest success in the world: mexico.. just so you can see how much they have success in mexico compared to the us or anywhere else:.
top three countries in 2014 were:.
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ILoveTTATT2
I will go to the second convention tomorrow. Then I plan on going to all of the circuit conventions (there's just one right? Not two?)... to see the growth or lack of in one city for one year. That should yield some interesting stats.
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Inside Scientology and Escaping the Witnesses - Mon 24th channel 5
by not bitter inthats it really.
uk channel 5 at pm mon 24th.. maybe its already been posted but sounds interesting.
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ILoveTTATT2
I second what Londo said...
"Hopefully it will end up on Youtube for those of us outside the UK."... if you know what I mean
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UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses
by stan livedeath injust see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales
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Anyone here in Mexico?
by ILoveTTATT2 inwondering if anyone here lives in mexico right now.
i live in mazatlan, in sinaloa state.. anyone else live near me?
i d love to meet other exjw s around this area.. also, my pm does not work, so unfortunately you will have to comment here... or... idk..
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ILoveTTATT2
Wondering if anyone here lives in Mexico right now. I live in Mazatlan, in Sinaloa state.
Anyone else live near me? I´d love to meet other exJW´s around this area.
Also, my PM does not work, so unfortunately you will have to comment here... or... idk.
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2015 Regional Convention (Cleveland, Ohio) - No accounts report read? No video about abuse?
by My Name is of No Consequence ini went to the convention this past weekend in cleveland with my wife and son.
most of the session was the status quo, but here are some of observations that i believe are worth noting: .
1. i did not see a lot of jw.org advertisements and the website was not mentioned a whole lot during the session.
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ILoveTTATT2
I made a report of a convention in Mazatlan. Even in Mexico they are drying up: 28 baptized out of 2900 people in attendance.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/431620002/stats-conventions-mexico
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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ILoveTTATT2
NICE quote Blondie!
They really ignore what they want and use what they want to make their "case".
Misogyny has been a staple of the Watchtower since its beginning.
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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ILoveTTATT2
dhoh,
It depends on the individuals interpreting the Bible.
Some, such as these below, say that Deborah was not a judge in the sense that the males were. Their lines of reasoning (and Watchtower's too) are based on two things:1) Deborah did not save Israel directly, unlike the males.
2) Deborah is not listed in Hebrews 11:32, instead, Barak is mentioned.
https://unlockingfemininity.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/a-judge-or-not-a-judge-deborahs-story/
http://cbmw.org/uncategorized/the-womanliness-of-deborah/
This one gives other reasons, including that the OT should not govern the NT:
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/769-judges-4-deborah-the-woman-judge
Most sources admit she was a judge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah
http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb47.htm
This source counteracts the objections of the ones who say she was not a judge:
https://bible.org/article/deborah-woman-god-uses
This one defends Deborah as a full judge:
http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/deborah-and-the-no-available-men-argument/
It seems that the acceptance of Deborah as a judge is inversely proportional to your chauvinism/misogyny.But in relation to what is important to the Royal Comission, Deborah JUDGED in Israel. She made judgement calls, whether an Israelite had to be punished or not... She just wasn't a warrior.
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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games
by ILoveTTATT2 inas much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.
you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?
because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.
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ILoveTTATT2
As much as Jesus is not the Mediator of mankind but the "Mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the Watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".
Seems like Deborah judged in Israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean Debora was a judge. You see, Deborah was a "judge".
Why is that? Because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges. So there you go, because of our amazing Biblical understanding, we know that Deborah, even though she judged in Israel, was not a judge. She was a "judge".
Therefore, Mr. Jackson is right in saying that all judges in the Bible were men. Cause... when the Bible is clear, we have to make the Bible ambiguous. We have to make a word not really mean what it means.Kinda like in the novel 1984. No, wait. EXACTLY like in 1984.
*** it-2 p. 134 Judge ***
JUDGE
Men raised up by Jehovah to deliver his people prior to the period of Israel’s human kings were known as judges. (Jg 2:16) Moses, as mediator of the Law covenant and God-appointed leader, judged Israel for 40 years. But the period of Judges, as usually viewed, began with Othniel, sometime after the death of Joshua, and extended until Samuel the prophet. Samuel is not usually counted among the Judges. So the period of the Judges extended about 300 years.—Jg 2:16; Ac 13:20.
The judges were selected and appointed by Jehovah from various tribes of Israel. Between Joshua and Samuel, 12 judges (not including Deborah) are named, as follows
*** it-2 p. 135 Judges, Book of ***
The section running from chapter 3, verse 7, to the end of chapter 16 is, basically, in chronological order and relates the activities of 12 judges (not including Deborah), starting with Othniel and concluding with Samson.
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Barak, encouraged by the prophetess Deborah
*** it-1 p. 296 Bethel ***
During the period of the Judges, the dwelling place of Deborah the prophetess
*** it-1 p. 754 Ephraim ***
Later, Benjamite Judge Ehud assembled the Israelites in the mountainous region of Ephraim to fight against the Moabites. (Jg 3:26-30) After Ehud’s death the prophetess Deborah, from her residence in the mountainous region of Ephraim, sent for Barak as the one designated by Jehovah to deliver Israel from the oppression of King Jabin. In the victory song of Barak and Deborah, Ephraim is the first tribe to be mentioned.
*** it-2 p. 698 Prophetess ***
In the period of the Judges, Deborah served as a source of information from Jehovah, making known his judgments on certain matters and conveying his instruction, as in his commands to Barak.
*** w80 11/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***Questions From Readers● In view of Judges 4:4, can Deborah be viewed as one of the judges of ancient Israel, along with Samson, Gideon and others?The Bible account at Judges 4:4 reads: “Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that particular time.” Earlier, the account at Judges 2:16 says: “Jehovah would raise up judges, and they would save them out of the hand of their pillagers.” Thus the main work of a judge would be to save Israel from their enemies. It appears, then, that the phrase at Judges 4:4 about Deborah “judging Israel at that particular time” does not mean that Deborah was usurping the place of a man and that she was fulfilling all the duties of a judge in Israel. Unlike Samuel, Gideon or other judges she did not judge all Israel and act as their deliverer or “savior.” In fact, at Nehemiah 9:27 the term “saviors” is used rather than “judges.”—Compare Judges 3:9, 15.Being a prophetess, Deborah told Barak what Jehovah’s will was in the matter. She was used by Jehovah to call Barak to serve as judge for the overthrow of the enemy. Barak served as the “savior” provided by Jehovah, not Deborah, although Barak asked that Deborah go with him. So it is most unlikely that Deborah performed all the duties usually associated with the office of a judge in Israel, the most prominent of which was leading the tribes in warfare against Jehovah’s enemies.Thus, while Deborah can properly be described as a prophetess, it is only in a general sense that she was doing a measure of judging in Israel; she was not taking the full place of a male judge in Israel. Judges 4:5 says: “She was dwelling under Deborah’s palm tree between Ramah and Bethel in the mountainous region of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel would go up to her for judgment.” As for the matter of giving the Israelites Jehovah’s answer to difficult problems that would come up, this she could do because of Jehovah’s spirit being upon her.In contrast, Barak certainly was one who effected deliverance for the Israelites. The reasonable conclusion to draw is that Barak was a judge in the full sense of the word, and this is in accord with Hebrews 11:32, where he ranks among the judges of ancient Israel. Thus the book Aid to Bible Understanding, on page 980, in listing the judges of Israel, does not include Deborah.