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  Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi people,.

  i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

  1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Thanks everyone! Keep 'em comin'!

  So far, the data is yielding some impressive insights (no data yet in 2010 since no one has answered that they were baptized in 2010 or later):
  
  Decade Average time to get out Standard deviation

  1960 25.8 years 7.69 years

  1970 22.1 years 11.89 years

  1980 21.0 years 6.09 years

  1990 14.3 years 6.90 years

  2000 8.5 years 3.22 years

  It is clear that 1975 led to a much higher variability, meaning that for a lot of people, 1975 truncated their stay with the Watchtower, but for a lot, it made no difference.

  It is also clear (and very encouraging) that every decade without exception sees a lower average stay in the Watchtower, and also the lower standard deviation means that the factor that is reducing the time that people stay in the Watchtower cult affects everyone. And I am going to say that the factor is... obviously, the internet.

  Now, my data may be skewed because I still have little data, I only have 70 responses, and the responses are naturally of people who are on the internet. Perhaps the people who came in the 70's are not on the internet and therefore will not participate on this survey.

  In any case,

  Thanks!
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  Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi people,.

  i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

  1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Yes Tich, and the graph and the data DOES show that. It shows two things, even with the limited data:
  
  1) Pre-internet, you could expect a wild variability in the time that one got out. Some got out very quickly, some took decades. It all depended on the person. But the average was much higher than it is now.

  2) post- internet, the variability has decreased significantly, and also, the time to get out has decreased significantly.
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  Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi people,.

  i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

  1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Also Talesin, I am noticing that a lot of people did go out after 1975... so maybe the data will show that trend too...
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  Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi people,.

  i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

  1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Hi Talesin, it´s ok. People like you (the "outliers," aka the "exception to the rule") are very useful for statistics. But given 1000 people, you won't really have an effect on the average or the trend. What I see on the trend is that the variability is reducing.... i.e. some people who came in the 70's woke up faster than others, but the average was higher than now, and now, the average is much smaller and almost everyone is waking up at around the same time in.
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  Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi people,.

  i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

  1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Hi people,

  I want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.

  Please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were JW's and left)
  

  1) were you raised as a JW, or did you convert?

  2) when were you baptized/started seriously being with the witnesses? (Date please, i.e. 1997)

  3) when did you leave/woke up completely? (date please, i.e. 2013)

  Please do the time difference between 2 and 3...

  me:

  1) raised
  2) 1997
  3) 2013

  Time in: 16 years

  Thanks!

  I think this would be an interesting stat that has never been done before. I am certain that the results will be that the internet significantly reduces time in for everyone. A graph of "time in" vs year would be very insightful. I am sure that there will be more "lifers" in previous generations, and much less now.

  I have tried this with another group on Facebook called exJW Recovery Group 3, and my own Facebook page in Spanish. So far, I have had about 60 responses and a clear trend can be seen, but I would like to have one thousand (1000) responses to have some very solid data.

  Your help with this will be greatly appreciated!

  Here is the graph with the responses so far:
  
  
  
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  Kid has Xbox stolen, police buy him a new one

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's easy to get down and disheartened about depressing world events.. it's important to remember that the good guys outnumber the bad guys, they just don't make the headlines as often.. so here's a nice story:.

  on sunday, 11-year-old tontrevion campbell went to church with his mom.. at the same time, police say, burglars entered his home and broke one of the commandments.. as the memphis police department describes it on its facebook page: "the thief or thieves stole several of his mom's items, but they also stole the young man's xbox game system and every single game that this 11-year-old owned.".

  there are quite a few adults who'd be upset.

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  Nice people who are not Witnesses? That story was put there by Satan to make us doubt! xD
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  Hypothetical question. There is no more guns on our streets, would the crime rate go down?

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it would eliminate drive by's (gangs).

  bank robbery.

  ( handing the bank teller a note, this is stick up without a gun).

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  ILoveTTATT2

  
  

  America the land of the free, the brave, and the most gun murders in developed countries
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  The Ages Of The Biblical Patriarchs

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been reading the imitate their faith book (because my wife wants to) and keep coming upon these ridiculous ages for the bible patriarchs.

  now i know wt takes everything literally but there has got to be some explanation that makes more sense.

  why would the bible writers create these obviously false ages?

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  ILoveTTATT2

  Did you know that the ages are completely different in the Septuagint than in the Masoretic text?

  If you add up all of the patriarch's ages, in the Septuagint you end up with almost 2000 years extra!!
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  Spanish defenders of the Watchtower? (Or other languages!)

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are there any unofficial watchtower defenders publishing in spanish?

  i'm doing a survey and i think i've got most of those writing in english covered.

  then there's gerard gertoux and a few others in french, furuli from norway, matteo pierro in italian, johannes wrobel and others in german.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  As Hilde said, Testigo Humano. I know he visits this site... it's fairly obvious since things that are originally only on this site "somehow" end up on his.

  He runs a website called "Replies to Professional Apostasy".

  Not really a scholar, just really bad attempts at defending the WT. Very easy to disprove.

  Unlike Furulli or Stafford, which, it seems like they actually have a good defense.

  I know of no one else really in the Spanish side of things.
  
  As to your question, MOST DEFINITELY, Spanish is THE largest language in the JW world. In fact, Spanish speaking JW's outnumber English speaking ones almost 2 to 1.
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  JW.Org new video

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a new video put out by the borg.

  i have nothing to say negative about it actually.

  it's only 2:34 minutes long and helps you learn the books of the bible and the basic contents of them and is done very well.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  You're kidding right?

  I'd rather have my kids memorize actually useful things... instead of the names of "books" of a very disgusting book once you actually read it. That book has led to so many people being killed, manipulated, beaten, etc...