Posts by ILoveTTATT2

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

ILoveTTATT2

I don't know the financial situation in the UK, but... in Canada at least, getting a McJob is ridiculously easy. I highly doubt that going from janitorial services to a McJob will be much of a hit financially.

Be very careful with what you spend, if worse comes to worse you can very easily get a job as a cashier, as whatever... plenty of extremely easy to get jobs.

Look for places to rent. There might be some really cheap apartments that provide decent living. If you are just one person, finding someone that rents a room (as a part of a house) won't be that hard.

DON'T TELL ANYONE INSIDE THE CONGREGATION THAT YOU HAVE DOUBTS!

Be completely quiet about your doubts.

YOU WILL BE FINE.

Eventually you'll be able to get back on your feet.

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

ILoveTTATT2

Hi Listener,

how much more there is to this story other than what was printed in their magazines is probably a mystery.

There are USDA reports, there are newspaper reports, other sources besides the Watchtower and its publications.

I don't think they were being very honest about a brother called John Bonnet and his farm.

No, they were not. One has to remember that besides Russell, there were other people involved in this whole fiasco: Rutherford, Bonnet, Van Amburgh, K.B. Stoner, the USDA, the Brooklyn Eagle, the judges, etc.

There's so much more to the story than just the wheat, there is legal stupidity (Rutherford not knowing the definition of "libel" in the US), there is greed and a get-rich-quick scheme (again, Rutherford probably saw the money in it, used Russell's gullibility)...

There's so much info, that is why it has taken me so long to write it up.

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

ILoveTTATT2

That includes inflation... I compared 3.7M in 2016 dollars vs 1B in 2016 dollars.

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

ILoveTTATT2

I am still not done with the Miracle Wheat article... there's just so much information to process! I already did the summary, and the new information that I have doesn't change my conclusion: The entire scandal happened because Russell was very gullible and didn't check with Government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not. He went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.

Here's some interesting stats about the finances of the Watchtower back in 1911:

It received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000. This is equivalent to $3.7M in 2016 dollars. Recent data showed that the Society received around $1B in revenue in the US per year. So their growth per year has been around 5.4% FOR 105 YEARS!

The sale of "miracle wheat" lasted only about 3 months, because the Eagle's reporting effectively put an end to it. In three months they sold $1800. If they had lasted a year, they would have sold $7200 of it. So the "miracle wheat" would have added around 5% growth in the WT business... In a sense, it doubled the growth of all of the pioneers, publishers, etc... combined!

I have growing suspicions that a lot in the case actually had to do with Rutherford, not Russell.

It was Rutherford's "baby", and I think that he made Russell file the suit against the Eagle.

The evidence for this hypothesis of mine will come soon.

The

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

ILoveTTATT2

Steve, I had the same reaction.

I investigate on Witnesses a lot... it's hard to shock me anymore... but wow! This one shook me up! They're making tons of money murdering people! It's become a business!!

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

ILoveTTATT2

Steve,

Effectively. The trial comes to JW's vs other JW's, who may be indirectly related to the actual case.

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

ILoveTTATT2

Orphan Crow,

I am so terribly sorry that I didn't read your first post in a detailed manner.

OMFG.

That's all I can say.

OMFG.

I want to puke...

There are tons of people hating the Atlanta Medical center... It seems like it is a very bad hospital.

Your investigation was spot-on. It's an extremely perverse thing that certain JW's are profiting from the deaths of people.

It is shocking that there are actual CONTRACTS for patient blood management between Hospitals and the WT headquarters.

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The Miracle Wheat Episode: Summary

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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this "miracle wheat" article is getting too long!

hahaha.

but here is the short description (without the proofs and many newspaper and wt articles in full, which will come in the pdf version):.

ILoveTTATT2

The PDF version is currently at 23 pages. I am not even done with considering all that the Eagle had to say about it. There are around 50 articles just in the Brooklyn Eagle that mention the phrase "miracle wheat".

The key dates of the articles related to the episode are September 23rd, 1911, October 19, 1911, and May 7, 1915.

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The Miracle Wheat Episode: Summary

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

this "miracle wheat" article is getting too long!

hahaha.

but here is the short description (without the proofs and many newspaper and wt articles in full, which will come in the pdf version):.

ILoveTTATT2

Funny that you mention P.T. Barnum, Talesin!

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

ILoveTTATT2

Orphancrow:

I guess I didn't understand the point of your whole post then.

Perhaps you meant: Good hospital, bad blood management people?

I understand very little from the article. If the courts determined that it was the woman's own fault she died, then why give her any money?