Posts by ILoveTTATT2

I took the time to compare the different accounts in 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings with 1-2 Chronicles.

I compared both the Masoretic Text (based on the New World Translation) and the Septuagint (based on NETS).

Since apologists usually can weasel out of contradictions in things such as whether Jehovah feels regret or he doesn't, but numbers are much harder to explain when they're different, I have made a list of the differences in the numbers expressed in the various scriptures.

Judge for yourself. How can there be so many differences in the numbers of things? There are multiple differences in the same chapter sometimes!

Scripture 1	Scripture 2	Scripture 3	MT1	LXX1	MT2	LXX2	MT3	LXX3
2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		1,700	1,000	1,000	1,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 8:4	1 Chronicles 18:4		(included)	7,000	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 8:13	1 Chronicles 18:12	Psalm 60 (59 in LXX) superscript	18,000	18,000	18,000	18,000	12,000	12,000
2 Samuel 10:18	1 Chronicles 19:18		700	700	7,000	7,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		800,000	800,000	1,100,000	1,100,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:9	1 Chronicles 21:5		500,000	500,000	470,000	480,000	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:13	1 Chronicles 21:12		7	3	3	3	NA	NA
2 Samuel 24:24	1 Chronicles 21:25		50 silver	50 silver	600 gold	600 gold	NA	NA
1 Kings 7:26	2 Chronicles 4:5		2,000	(omits)	3,000	3,000	NA	NA
1 Kings 9:23	2 Chronicles 8:10		550	(omits)	250	250	NA	NA
1 Kings 9:28	2 Chronicles 8:18		420	120	450	450	NA	NA
1 Kings 10:26	2 Chronicles 9:25		1,400	4,000	4,000	4,000	NA	NA

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Happy Pi Day

by dothemath in

tomorrow is march 14 (3.14), so its known as pi day, to honour the all-important constant.. incidentally, the bible has been criticized by mathematicians because the scriptures give a very poor value of pi.. the scripture is based on 1kings 7: 23 and reads as follows:.

"and he proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its one brim to its other brim, circular all around; and its height was five cubits, and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it".

now that shape is actually mathematically impossible to construct, because if the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference would have to be 31.4159 cubits.

ILoveTTATT2

It gets worse - The Septuagint (LXX) implies that Pi is 3.3, because it says that the circumference was 33 cubits.

TRY EXPLAINING THAT ONE! xD

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

ILoveTTATT2

Even it turned out that Jesus made the first cell out of angel farts evolution still stands beyond all reasonable doubt.

LMAO!! Love it!!

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Comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text: Genealogies in Genesis 5

by ILoveTTATT2 in

i started a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.it is here:https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-textfor those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. and more than anything else, the most striking differences between the septuagint and the masoretic text have to be the genealogies of genesis 5.. the genealogies of genesis 5 are crucial to the jehovah's witnesses, the adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.why is that?because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they have to use genesis 5. and, if the numbers in genesis 5 in the bible most people in the western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.so, what are the differences?the account tells the ages in this format:x person lived for y years.

ILoveTTATT2

I started a thread comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic text.

It is here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-text

For those who do not know what the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are, here's an introduction on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

I think that, more than anything else, the fact that the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the Bible.

And more than anything else, the most striking differences between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text have to be the genealogies of Genesis 5.

The genealogies of Genesis 5 are CRUCIAL to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.

Why is that?

Because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they HAVE to use Genesis 5. And, if the numbers in Genesis 5 in the Bible most people in the Western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.

So, what are the differences?

The account tells the ages in this format:

X person lived for Y years. Then he had a son. Then he lived for Z more years, so his total lifespan was A years.

Let's start with Adam in the Masoretic Text (New World Translation, 1984 version):

(Genesis 5:3-5) 3 And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters. 5 So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.

So we have:

Adam, 130 + 800 = 930.

What does the Septuagint say?

Genesis 5:3-5, NETS:

Now Adam lived two hundred thirty years and became a father, according to his form and according to his image and named his name Seth. And the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth amounted to seven hundred years, and he had sons and daughters. And all the days of Adam, that he lived, amounted to nine hundred thirty years, and he died.

Adam, 230 + 700 = 930.

You might say at this moment, "so what? At the end of the day, it says that Adam lived for the same amount of time." That is true, but the most important number in this format is the first one. There are 100 years of difference between Adam becoming father to Seth in the MT and the LXX.

What about the rest of the people in Genesis 5?

You can see them here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogies_of_Genesis#Genesis_numbers

The first number in the list in Genesis is added up with all the generations (and then added with the same formula in Genesis 11), and we get:

The MT gives 1946 years from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham.
The LXX gives 3312 years from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham.

QUITE THE DIFFERENCE!

This would make the Jehovah's Witnesse's "1975", when supposedly 6000 years of human existence ended, in 609 A.D.

We would be in the year 7,407 after creation if we were to base ourselves on the LXX instead of the MT.

This, just this, is enough for some (me included) to stop believing that the Bible is true and inerrant.

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Comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text

by ILoveTTATT2 in

i am going to start a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.for those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. since the new testament writers quoted from the septuagint, not from the masoretic text, one would think that the septuagint should be in all the current bibles, but the case is that most bibles today use the masoretic text as the basis of their old testament.

ILoveTTATT2

Genesis 4:26, LXX (NETS):

And to Seth a son was born, and he named his name Enos. He hoped to invoke the name of the Lord God.

Genesis 4:26, MT (NWT):

And to Seth also there was born a son and he proceeded to call his name E′nosh. At that time a start was made of calling on the name of Jehovah.

Comment: Again, completely different meanings leading to completely different theological conclusions.

CHAPTER 5 HAS SOME INCREDIBLE DIFFERENCES. I WILL POST IN A NEW THREAD.

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Audiobible NWT

by TheWonderofYou in

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i took a look a the org video about the new audiobible and the production process.. most disturbing for me is that the voice of bro.

jackson seems to be always the voice of jesus throughout the bible.

he was the gb member who made the appearance in the australian child abuse commission.. i dont like his voice as jesus and will never listen to the audio bible therefore.. what me wonders much is, how much work those sis and bros do to identify similar speakers in the four gospels so that always the same speaker speaks and how they handle that.. to cover the whole bibel 1000 speakers have been identified and will be trained in reading correctly.. some questions are if the bible says that jehovah speaks, did he really speak himself or something else or if a passage says that the apostel said something, who of the apostels was it actually?.

ILoveTTATT2

I think that they make those pointless projects just to have "Guiness World records" of sorts and say they are the best or unique.

"No one has MEPS".

"No one translates their website into more languages".

"No one has a complete sign language Bible".

"No one has an audio Bible that uses different people for different characters".