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  A possible reason WHY, the 'New System' was never a Reality to us.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  perhaps i'm wrong, but this is a possible explanation.i was always taught that a new system would soon replace the old one.

  in this new system there would be no more war, everyone would eat from his own 'fig tree', they would build houses and love one another.. .

  in every publication that depicted this new system.....it was a picture of a beautiful lush productive earth, people were carrying baskets of vegetables and fruit walking together being of different decent, the men were bulding houses with smiles on their faces, and the children were playing with the animals.

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  I personally hated the idea of the entire Earth being transformed into a "global park". I always shivered at the thought of every piece of natural landscape being turned into a bethel-like kitsch garden. Yuck...
  
  
  Pole
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  Now German WTS has access to Registry Office

  by GermanXJW in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, a german radio station commented on the court case won by jw in germany.

  they now have to recognized as a public body which has mainly impact on taxes.. .

  but the radio station also commented that now jw have access to the regitry entries of each citizen at the registry office.

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  Pole

  Does that mean 1% of the Witnesses income tax will go straight to the WTS?
  
  If so, I think sooner or later it may backfire on them. Declaring yourself as a JW for tax purposes may be a test of loyalty many faders may refuse to pass :)
  
  Pole
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  Are you impressed by Pope John Paul II?

  by GermanXJW in

  1. social
  2. current

  at pentecost, pope john paul ii could not speak when giving his traditional blessing.

  many people are impressed by this pope because he does not resign.

  they campare it to christ's sufferings.

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  Pole

  The pope giving his blessing in his Darth Vader voice? It's almost satanic....:-).
  
  It's just one more example of how "religious" people can "rationalize" something that others find very difficult to "rationalize". And that's to put it mildly of course.
  
  Seriously I think it's up to Catholics to decide if it impresses them.
  
  Pole
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  Am I right about the WT being wrong?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone.... i was "raised" as a dub and got baptised in '86...so in total i had been a jw for over 20 years.

  i came to realize that the "way of life" i was living was in fact made up of mostly lies.

  i started "questioning" the borg about 6 years ago and finally came out with almostatheist last sept. i know in my heart that they are mostly wrong and very legalist.

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  Pole

  It's a "spiritual abuse" that we all have been through.

  Well put. I guess what you feel instinctively at your moments of "doubts" is that at the end of the road to full recovery there's no "apostate worldview". No universal substitute for the Truth. There is basically the freedom to think, believe and decide.

  Many of us have experienced nightmares, depression, anger, anxiety and other syndroms of leaving a cult. All I can say is that the great majority needed just some time to overcome it all. My mother and wife have been experiencing similar feelings.

  Best wishes,

  Pole
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  Am I right about the WT being wrong?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone.... i was "raised" as a dub and got baptised in '86...so in total i had been a jw for over 20 years.

  i came to realize that the "way of life" i was living was in fact made up of mostly lies.

  i started "questioning" the borg about 6 years ago and finally came out with almostatheist last sept. i know in my heart that they are mostly wrong and very legalist.

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  slimboyfat,
  
  You rarely if ever reply to people who ask you specifically to name the things that you think JWs have right. That's what I find trollish. Of course you can't give a specific example of a real issue to discuss, because then you'll see a hundred different responses from the posters here and your notion of "apostate worldview" will be shown for what it is.
  
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  Freedom Frog,
  
  This relates to the original topic of this thread (sorry for digressing): Saying "JWs have it right" means very little unless we focus on the specific doctrines and analyse our assumptions.
  
  Having said that, what are the WTS views that still sound convincing to you? Or maybe it's more emotional than factual/logical?
  
  Pole
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  Am I right about the WT being wrong?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone.... i was "raised" as a dub and got baptised in '86...so in total i had been a jw for over 20 years.

  i came to realize that the "way of life" i was living was in fact made up of mostly lies.

  i started "questioning" the borg about 6 years ago and finally came out with almostatheist last sept. i know in my heart that they are mostly wrong and very legalist.

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  Dave,
  
  I bet sbf is not going to understand your point. Or he'll pretend he hasn't. His problems are manifest in his use of the label "apostate". If you think of it, it's part of the WTS terminology. That's the point. Things are only binary for those who are still Jehovah's Witnesses.
  
  Either you are in "God's organization" or you are not.
  If God's organization does not have the Truth than who does?
  
  It's like demanding a direct answer to the following question from a man who is gay and has never been married: when exactly did you start beating your wife?
  
  Pole
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  Am I right about the WT being wrong?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone.... i was "raised" as a dub and got baptised in '86...so in total i had been a jw for over 20 years.

  i came to realize that the "way of life" i was living was in fact made up of mostly lies.

  i started "questioning" the borg about 6 years ago and finally came out with almostatheist last sept. i know in my heart that they are mostly wrong and very legalist.

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  sbf,
  
  So a view on the WTS is a "worldview" for you?
  
  Pole
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  Am I right about the WT being wrong?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone.... i was "raised" as a dub and got baptised in '86...so in total i had been a jw for over 20 years.

  i came to realize that the "way of life" i was living was in fact made up of mostly lies.

  i started "questioning" the borg about 6 years ago and finally came out with almostatheist last sept. i know in my heart that they are mostly wrong and very legalist.

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  Thanks for confirming my theory about the limits of liberalism when it comes to the apostate worldview.

  
  
  The argument is totally flawed. It sort of exposes your desperate need to put things in nice little boxes. Watchtower here, "apostates" there. Something you've just criticized.
  
  It's hard to believe how a person who's been around on this forum for a while fails to notice the great variety of views presented here and comes up with the notion of "apostate worldview"?
  
  Pole
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  Watchtower continues relationship with United Nations in some way

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to find that the watchtower continued (another) type of u.n. relationship even (after) they disassociated from the (ngo dpi) sections, these are the instructions i was given: 1. go to the home page of (who) world health organization 2. type in these numbers into the search engine at the top: (10184) and click go 3. when the next page comes up, you will receive one pdf listing of information.

  click on it.

  4. when the pdf file comes up, go to page 3 and you will find that the watch tower of jehovah's witnesses is listed as a (new idp site) and (participant center).

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  Pole

  sbf,

  Translation:

  I think this topic demonstrates why the Witnesses' involvement with the UN was no big deal in the first place. Witnesses have always used worldly organisations to their advantage while pouring scorn upon them in their internal literature.

  WTS has always been hypocritical.

  The only reason this was highlighted recently is because apostates have learned how to scream louder using the internetwork.

  Their hypocrisy has been exposed recently more than ever thanks to the Internet.

  How come you're right on both accounts?

  Cheers,

  Pole
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  A question for Atheists

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are an atheist, what are your thoughts on the afterlife?

  mortality?

  we are what we are until we die, then are no more?

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  I agree with Narkissos, although I tend to put it more bluntly:
  
  Human consciousness is a form of megalomania. If it weren't so we'd all have suicidal tendencies.
  
  People generally have a problem accepting the fact that the Universe can continue to exist without them. How come??? Or they can accept it conditionally. They make up complex theories of salvation and resurrection which don't hold water for a minute, but which are so complex that it may take an entire life to figure it out.
  
  I have no problem understanding what most likely happens with me after I die. Exactly the same thing as before I was born. Is that so hard to grasp? I still wonder, how did the Universe manage to exist before my birth :)))
  
  Cheers,
  
  Pole