Posts by Terry

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WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

by Terry in

to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

Terry

I take the view (reinforced by many, many e-mails and messages over the years) we all underestimate how

powerful it can be to RAISE POINTS OF DISCREPENCY AND FACT out loud and in print.

If a person is undecided which course to take--their mind is opening to ADDITIONAL thoughts not previously considered.

If you say some tiny thing which raises a point of consideration---it can be a powerful lever poised to lift the veil and expose the true truth.

Maybe most of the time JW's don't listen or won't listen.

But--IF THE RIGHT THING IS SAID AT THE RIGHT TIME . . . it can make all the difference in the world to changing their life for the good!

That keeps me going!

When I was a little boy, my grandmother (who was Catholic) used to watch a TV program produced by the Christophers.

I would sit in her lap as she watched it. The only thing that stayed with me was the opening of the show.

The screen was black . . . then a match was struck . . . and a candle was lighted as a chorus sang this song:

"IF EVERYONE LIT JUST ONE LITTLE CANDLE . . .WHAT A BRIGHT WORLD . . . THIS WOULD . . BE . . ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOv4q8DKE2Q

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LET'S ASK the anointed GB some questions . . .

by Terry in

okay mr. anointed governing body elder, tell me exactly.

q: how you know what jehovah wants "channeled" into the watchtower?.

1. j. f. rutherford, preparation, watch tower bible & tract society, 1933, page 64, 67, "enlightenment proceeds from jehovah by and through christ jesus and is given to the faithful anointed on earth at the temple, and brings great peace and consolation to them.

Terry

The Governing Body has accumulated the over-confidence of nitpicking, interpreting, predicting, legislating, ruling, quantifying,

parsing, and otherwise extrapolating from scripture as though the Bible somehow grew new words every few months!

The BIBLE DOES NOT CHANGE--only the GB's views change!

This is highly suspicious.

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A QUESTION FOR JW'S who say, "The brothers were overly zealous" about 1975

by Terry in

"what was the actual significance of that year, then?".

if jw's were overly zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the wts for a non-event which took up.

over 7 years of every jw's time?.

Terry

Recently, I spoke with a 19 year old JW. He was a young man of 19 currently DF'd. He is trying to get reinstated,

but he has his doubts (however slim.)

I asked him if anybody had ever asked, "Exactly HOW does Jehovah manage to use the GB to channel something

if it comes out wrong and requiring adjustment? How is it merely an adjustment if it completely changes?

How was it "true" if it changed to its opposite? Why keep 7 million JW's busy preaching and teaching things which

turn out NOT to be worth saving?"

He gave the usual replies. If you wait on Jehovah He makes it come out right.

I asked how DANGEROUS it is to expect people to accept or reject salvation itself BASED ON CONTAMINATED teaching?

That's what they say they are doing: separating sheep and goats BASED ON the response to what they are teaching!

Is it doing anybody a favor to offer them something UNTRUE (it later changed, so it must be) which they rightly reject--

and then calling that separating sheep from goats?

Why shouldn't a one hundred year continuous history of wrong date-setting make householders REJECT JW teachings?

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You know what? He listened. Each time he came back, he had recovered from those doubts.

However--they were still bubbling beneath the surface.

"What if you are really only STUMBLING PEOPLE instead of feeding sheep truth at the proper time?"

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A QUESTION FOR JW'S who say, "The brothers were overly zealous" about 1975

by Terry in

"what was the actual significance of that year, then?".

if jw's were overly zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the wts for a non-event which took up.

over 7 years of every jw's time?.

Terry

"WHAT WAS the actual significance of that year, then?"

If JW's were OVERLY zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the WTS for a NON-EVENT which took up

over 7 years of every JW's time?

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When the Watchtower Society predicted that 1873 was the END of 6,000 years of human existence--they got THAT wrong too.

WHAT DO YOU CALL PEOPLE WHO DON'T LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES?

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What is the chief difference between GUESSING and getting it wrong and CHANNELING JEHOVAH'S SPIRIT and getting it wrong?

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The Faithful Slave is supposed to feed the flock "meat in due season" which means nourishing truth at the right time.

If BOTH times you were WRONG--how was it NOURISHING orTRUE and how was it AT THE PROPER TIME?

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The Present Truth is the Truth and the Old Truth is the Truth, even if they contradict.

by garyneal in

that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.

the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.

so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.

Terry

He responded by saying that it was the overzealousness of the witnesses that caused them to believe that 1975 was significant and nothing that the WT actually did.

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To which nobody ever seems to reply: "WHAT WAS the actual significance of that year, then?"

If JW's were OVERLY zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the WTS for a NON-EVENT which took up

over 7 years of every JW's time?

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The Present Truth is the Truth and the Old Truth is the Truth, even if they contradict.

by garyneal in

that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.

the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.

so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.

Terry

The CHIEF CLAIM made for and by the Governing Body (and FDS) is a huge claim.

1. Jehovah God, it is claimed, is going to Save OR Destroy humanity very soon based on each person's response to something important.

What is that something? It is a description of how each person must think and behave in relation to a government headed by Jesus Christ.

2. The facts about Jesus' government are contained ONLY in the published works of the Watchtower Society. Exclusively, this corporation and

its leaders are specifically guided to educate and enlighten the population of Earth concerning events in the near future.

3. This conduit of instruction from Jehovah--through the Watchtower Corp.--by means of a volunteer ministry dispenses only vital facts.

4. Persons who receive, believe, and accept this information are required to commit themselves wholeheartedly. It is a life or death decision.

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This is an OBJECTIVE claim evaluated by means of comparing what is spoken and written to real-time testing for the purpose of measuring

the accuracy and veracity of these claims.

TEST NUMBER ONE

1. It was claimed that King Jesus Christ began ruling in 1874 and would bring destruction of all opposers in 1914.

RESULT OF TEST NUMBER ONE

FAILED!

While several countries ended up in a war in Europe lasting 4 years, no such destruction of earthly governments took place.

TEST NUMBER TWO

2. In 1916 it was claimed, MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE. In conjunction with this claim, and End Point of 1925 was set for

the destruction of the wicked and the resurrection of the "ancient worthies" such as Abraham, David, etc.

RESULT OF TEST NUMBER TWO

FAILED!

Every person then living eventually died. Ancient men of worthy faith were NOT resurrected. The President of the Watchtower Society

admitted he made an ass of himself. Four years later, after this failure and disproof, a mansion was built in 1929 for these same "ancient

worthies" to live in. Instead, the President (J.F.Rutherford) who made an ass of himself moved in and dwelled there 13 years. No worthy man of faith ever lived there and it was later sold.

TEST NUMBER THREE

3. From 1966 through 1975 a worldwide push to inform the population of Earth of the "End of 6,000 years of human existence"began and millions of

books (THE TRUTH THAT LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE) were sold (Guiness Book of World Records). The End Date for this event was 1975. Marriage, Education, Careers, everything were set aside.

RESULT OF TEST NUMBER THREE

FAILED!

3. Nothing happened and no announcement was made by the same Organization which had pushed every member

to the limit against an impending deadline. Eventually, this Watchtower Society run by Anointed mouthpieces of God, made the excuse

everyone who had listened to the repeated warnings were guility of reading too much into what was published! To this day, nothing has

been reported has to HOW this error came about, why it was pushed so hard, and what became of the ones who saw fit to make it the number

one priority of Jehovah's Witnesses. Oh wait--the man who was responsible, Fred Franz, was rewarded for this monumental failure. How?

He was made the President of the WTS!

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THE ABOVE is the "TRUTH."

It is a factual accounting of the way we test claims made by the Watchtower Corporation and its leaders.

IF JEHOVAH made them do it--Jehovah is a false God.

If they only THOUGHT Jehovah made them do it--they are delusional.

If they required millions of people to waste their time doing it and threatened DEATH for failure to do it--they are evil despots.

THE ARE ALSO FALSE PROPHETS.

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Who was the best batman?

by FL_Panthers in

it seems that batman has been portrayed by more actors than any other superhero.. who do you think has played the best in the role of bruce wayne/batman?.

Terry

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/batman/the-7-actors-who-ve-played-batman

I remember how excited I was when I heard (way back in the 60's) Batman was coming to TV.

I remember how my mouth hung open and how long I sat with a fixed stare.

What the heck--why were they making Batman ridiculous?

Christian Bale will be very hard to beat. (Hear that, husband of Jennifer Garner?)

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a young 14 year old girl was disfellowshipped in my former congregation last week

by alexandre in

a baptized girl from my former cong.

was expelled out because she participated in more than one porn videos with classmates in the school and theses videos became public.

she is 14 years old and grew up as witnesses.but anybody knows she had many boyfriends and she-, but that thing was unbelievable!

Terry

The congregation has two choices.

1. Do everything within their power to nurture, restore, cherish and return the young girl to the fold and the embrace of Christ's loving arms

2. Cut her loose and good riddance

The course they took says more about their shepherding ethic than about the young girl.

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An Elder said: 'They're in prison for a reason'

by NAVYTOWN in

jw
friends

several years ago, i was studying the bible (jw literature) with an ms from the local congregation.

i happened to mention that i had several pen pals who were incarcerated in various prisons.

no matter what crimes they committed, i said i saw them as fellow human being who deserved to have a friend to write to.

Terry

Terry:

Now that you've had the experience that this other brother had, what advice would you give to someone heading to prison (someone who is one of the 'unlucky ones,' not a criminal)?

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You raise an important question which has caused me a great deal of retro-anguish because I just realized--nobody in any congregation cared enough

TO REFER a brother facing prison to another brother FOR ADVICE!

That is unconscionable and can only mean nobody gave a rat's ass.

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I did receive one phone call from a brother in Oklahoma. I don't remember how he got my phone number. Seems odd since plenty of brothers in

Oklahoma had gone through the same thing. Be that as it may . . .

I tried to tell him what to expect, first of all.

1. The chief problem you face is three fold. Psychological, Safety, Emotional.

You have no control over anything; often, not even yourself. You are forced into close contact with vile human beings who smell weakness and it enrages them to want to bully you. Prison rape is not a crime of passion or sex. It is a demonstration of dominance, rage and control. Your family and friends

will not understand. After a couple of months, you won't have anything in common with your closest loved ones because your world is no longer theirs.

2. You cannot obsess over WHEN you will be getting out! You are in a stream of time which is moving and you must learn which direction the flow is going. If you think about family and friends, loved ones and happy times of old you are swimming against the current. You will tire and drown emotionally.

You stop dreaming about anything but INSIDE prison in a remarkably short time. In fact, the "real" world and your old life become more like a dream or story somebody told you long ago. It becomes so unreal it ceases to be anything but pain.

Visits are extremely uncomfortable because neither the inmate nor the visitor can talke about "what's going on" without hurting each other. So, you often end up sitting like an old married couple with nothing much worth saying. That HURTS.

Finally, you must realize you cannot give off a "vibe" of any kind. You must be unreadable and blank or else. Or else what? Or else, an expert (criminal) will "read your vibes" and instantly form a plan to exploit you!

Keep to yourself, keep your mouth shut. Avoid eye contact. Your world is inside your mind. Control your thinking by being positive, upbeat and learn to live in the NOW. Read, read, read. Study. Learn things. I taught myself to play the piano (by sneaking into the Catholic rectory instead of going to the

Mess Hall for Dinner. Time moves in one direction only and no power on earth can stop you from reaching your destination one day. Don't pull time; let time pull you.

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Interpolated portions of the Bible are responsible for JW mistakes and arrogance

by exWTslave in

bible is a mixture of truth and untruth.

(jeremiah 7:22; 8:8; act 20:28-30) everything that falls in harmony with our experience is truth.

for example, every action has equal and opposite reaction.

Terry

I personally would modify your opening statement about "truth."

I think the Bible is artifically collated, layer upon layer. We find a lot of opinion, but I don't see how we

could call any of it "truth."

To declare something TRUE it has to be testable.

Exactly what is there in the Bible which is testable?

Jesus said you could move a mountain if you had faith the size of a mustard seed.

Who has yet accomplished the test of Jesus' words? Nobody. So my conclusion on that one is: FLUNK.

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The people who wrote down the things accumulated in the Bible were motivated to do so (or else they wouldn't have done it) but, we

can't test for evidence of them being directed by a celestial super-entity.

Mostly, as I see it, (your mileage may vary) the mere idea that ALMIGHTY GOD's stamp is on the Bible is what gives POWER to

the men who CLAIM He is directing them to understand it.

This is a dance requiring somebody who leads and somebody who follows.

Jehovah's Witnesses are uneducated and under-educated. They have no grasp. They are amateurs imagining they are world-beaters.

The leaders fool themselves first. When they are wrong it is embarassing. It is so difficult to admit to their mistakes because the mere

fact of CHANGING so-called true actually DISPROVES the merit of the claim.

To say THIS IS TRUE and later to change it requires a lot of denial and intellectual dishonesty.