http://www.scribd.com/doc/222382341/1935-Calendar-of-Jehovah-God#scribd
1935 saw the brief attempt by Jehovah's Witnesses to jettison the Gregorian Calendar and substitute a new one which the Golden Age magazine called "the Calendar of Jehovah God."
about two years after i was baptized, i had this incident.
i looked at it as an isolated incident at the time, but now realize it would have had basically the same result with 99.99% of any jws not members here.. i will keep it short.
i was talking with a person who was raised in the religion.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/222382341/1935-Calendar-of-Jehovah-God#scribd
1935 saw the brief attempt by Jehovah's Witnesses to jettison the Gregorian Calendar and substitute a new one which the Golden Age magazine called "the Calendar of Jehovah God."
i was wondering ... what are all of the "official" reasons provided by elders for disfellowshipping someone?
i know the most common reasons are adultery and fornication, but what about the others?
a couple of years ago i traveled back to my hometown` and one of my old jw acquaintances told me that her grown son had been disfellowshipped for refusing to stop associating with another disfellowshipped person.
You can be DF'd for suspicion of immorality!
The Elder's 'suspect' and that is enough.
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Religious faith operates in much the same way as spackle used to shore up cracks. The crack is a gap between actually existing planes of fact-based knowledge. As Science fills in information, the cracks narrow and the use for 'spackle' correspondingly diminishes.
Religion was man's first effort at philosophy attempting to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man’s life and a code of moral values. The problems arise by turning man's attention in wrong contexts: supernatural domains of invisible persons and uncaused causes.
The Christian versions of God point to a different sort of 'future' toward which mankind is said to be heading. As we know, from being Jehovah's Witnesses, the religious future nullifies any expenditure of effort toward THE PRESENT. Education, social progress, humanitarianism is, therefore futile.
Descriptions of the supernatural realm of God consist of negatives. Religious teachers tamper with reality and dampen ration thinking. They keep telling you what it is not, but never tell you what it is. All their identifications consist of negating: God is that which no human mind can know, they say—and proceed to demand that you consider it knowledge—God is non-man, heaven is non-earth, soul is non-body, virtue is non-profit, A is non-A, perception is non-sensory, knowledge is non-reason. Their definitions are not acts of defining, but of wiping out.
A lingering and improbable fear is at the root of God belief like monsters under the bed or in the closet. Somewhere between wishful thinking and a vague sense of gratitude for what we can't explain rests the longing to put a face on our irrationality.
That's my opinion; your mileage may very well vary.
it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.
just curious, a personal poll if you will.
what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?
as someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
Don't read the 'attack' posts.
Read the informative and upbeat, friendly posts.
There! All fixed!
Discussion groups are a microcosm of the world at large.
Life is what you make of it.
Choose your pathway carefully and you won't wander into bad smells, yapping beasts, or quicksand. :)
proving watchtower malfeasance.
to catch the governing body in a big, fat lie, we must compare the excuse given for changing previous teachings against actual watchtower history and publications.
are changes in doctrine progressive by adding to understandingorare they regressive, merely repeating exactly what was previously taught?.
Catching the GB in the crosshairs of outright misrepresentation is gratifying. How can they wriggle about like that and hope to escape the consequences of their deliberate fraud?
Two popular tries:
1. Claim to be imperfect men who make mistakes.
2. Claim apostates lie about the past
This is refuted by:
1: Ask HOW those 'mistakes' were made. Clearly, Jehovah is channeling factual understanding or they are distorting the source of their errors. If something is 'true'--why change it? Why is New Light changed back to Old Light?
2. Point out it is the Watchtower's own publications which demonstrate the misrepresentation. Truth does not contradict itself.
proving watchtower malfeasance.
to catch the governing body in a big, fat lie, we must compare the excuse given for changing previous teachings against actual watchtower history and publications.
are changes in doctrine progressive by adding to understandingorare they regressive, merely repeating exactly what was previously taught?.
PROVING WATCHTOWER MALFEASANCE
To catch the Governing Body in a big, fat lie, we must compare the excuse given for changing previous teachings against actual Watchtower history and publications. Are changes in doctrine “progressive” by adding to understanding—or—are they regressive, merely repeating exactly what was previously taught?
Romans 13:1, 2 and what it means is our central focus.
Just in case this is not clear, let’s review.
Why? Because we must understand three things before we can honestly accuse the governing body of lying, duplicity, and altering history to escape the charge of False Prophet.
1. Charles Russell, in both his Studies in the Scriptures (normative doctrine for Bible Students movement) and Watchtower publications, taught the meaning of Romans 13:1, 2 as relative subjection of Christians to worldly governments.
2. J.F. Rutherford, (Watchtower President) reinterpreted ‘worldly governments’ identity to that of Jehovah and Jesus rather than secular powers. The obligation to obey world leaders disappeared. Even relative subjection ceased to be a command of God from 1929 forward.
3. Nathan H. Knorr (Watchtower President) changed BACK AGAIN to view #1, pretending (and dissembling) progressive Light motivated the reversal.
Romans 13:1 King James Version (KJV)
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
QUESTION: Is it true that Russell taught ‘unqualified obedience’ to secular governments?
LET’S READ WHAT PASTOR RUSSELL TAUGHT:
In The Watch Tower, July 15, 1916, three months before he died, Charles T. Russell wrote the following in the article, "Militarism and Conscience":
“While Christians are enjoined to be subject to the "Powers that be"—the kings, governors, magistrates, etc. - nevertheless this is not to be understood as meaning the renouncement of our fidelity to the King of kings and Lord of lords. He is our Over-Lord. Our allegiance to earthly lords and powers and their commands is merely to the extent that they do not conflict with the commands of our Over-Lord. The Jews in renouncing Jesus cried, "We have no king but Caesar"! The Christian's position is, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's but unto God the things that are God's." Whenever Caesar and his laws conflict with the divine requirements, all true soldiers of the cross are left no alternative.”
QUESTION: Did the Watchtower later lie about this?
The Watchtower, November 1, 1972. p. 644 sought to argue a reasonable explanation for the change in teaching in 1929 from what Russell taught.
Romans 13:1 had been construed to mean that the governments of the world must be given unqualified obedience, the witnesses interpreted the "higher powers" or "superior authorities" there mentioned as applying to earthly government. (Rutherford changed this to Jehovah God and Christ Jesus.) However, a closer examination of the context revealed that Romans 13:1,2 does indeed refer to political governments of this world But by comparing this scripture with others, such as Acts 5:29, which states, "We must obey God as ruler rather than men," it was seen that the "subjection" mentioned at Romans 13:1 must be a relative subjection, not an unqualified one. That is, Christians are to be in subjection to the governments of this world so long as these do not ask Christians to go contrary to God's laws.
WHAT CHANGED IN 1929?
"The Higher Powers," The Watch Tower, June 1, 1929, pp. 163-69 end "The Higher Powers" (Part 2), The Watch Tower, June 15, 1929, pp. 179-85.
The official historic interpretation of Romans 13: 1-2 was destroyed by the President of the Watchtower, J.F. Rutherford. Rutherford reversed the historic teaching. Who were superior authorities? Jehovah and Jesus, NOT secular governments.
Another attempt at explanation for changing in 1929 and yet—BACK to Russell's previous interpretation appeared in December 1, 1981 issue of the Watchtower.
“Happily, in the year 1962, Jehovah led his people to an understanding of the principle of relative subjection. It was seen that dedicated Christians must obey secular rulers as the "superior authorities," gladly recognizing these as "god's ministers," or servant for their good. ((Rom. 13:4) However, if these "authorities" ask them to violate God's laws, what then? Up to that point Christians have obeyed the command at Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities." But this is qualified by Jesus' words, as recorded at Matthew 22:21: "Pay back, therefore, Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God." So whenever "Caesar" asks Christians to do things contrary to God's will, they must place Jehovah's law ahead of "Caesar's."
Does the following sound like unqualified obedience?
In SCRIPTURE STUDIES, Vol VI., we have set forth a suggestion that the followers of Christ seek every proper means to avoid participation in war. We there suggested the possibility, but that in the event of conscription the Lord's followers should use all their influence toward obtaining positions in the Hospital Corps or in the Provision Department of the army, rather than in actual warfare. We suggested further that if it were impossible to avoid going into the trenches, it would still not be necessary to violate the divine requirement, "Thou shalt do no murder."
We have been wondering since, if the course we have suggested is the best one. We wonder if such a course would not mean compromise. We reflect that to become a member of the army and to put on a military uniform implies the duties and obligations of a soldier as recognized and accepted. A protest made to an officer would be insignificant - the public in general would not know of it. Would not the Christian be really out of his place under such conditions?
"But," someone replies, "If one were to refuse the uniform and the military service he would be shot."
We reply that if the presentation were properly made there might be some sort of exoneration; but if not, would it be any worse to be shot because of loyalty to the Prince of Peace and refusal to disobey his order than to be shot while under the banner of these earthly kings and apparently giving them support and, in appearance at least, compromising the teachings of our heavenly King? Of the two deaths we would prefer the former - prefer to die because of faithfulness to our heavenly King.
The Watch Tower 1915, reprints p. 5755
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The understanding of Bible Students guided by Pastor Russell was quite adequate and needed no change. The real reasons for the un-called-for change in 1929 have never been explained by the Society.
By trying to turn lemons into lemonade, the Watchtower leaders have misrepresented their own past. They have distorted what they know to be facts. Rather than admit to errors, this is the tactic required to avoid confession of false teaching.
How many faithful believers died, were imprisoned, or persecuted because of wrong-headed dedication to Watchtower teaching?
The Governing Body doesn’t really give a damn as long as it escapes culpability.
as jesus was entering the city his followers were declaring him king, luke 19:.
38 blessed is the king who comes in the name of the lord!
peace in heaven and glory in the highest!.
I finally adopted the attitude regarding the Bible that, as a source of Divine communication, it's a non-starter. Historically, it is an artifice, contrivance, and anomaly. Nobody at the time seemed to have noticed how cut and paste it was--at least to the point they challenged the presupposition it was the foundation of all future 'truthiness.'
The Catholic institution of 'church' dominated the thinking and habits of Christian mankind for fifteen hundred years WITHOUT having to resort to Bible worship.
I would assert it was an emergency stop-gap measure created by the Protestant Reformation which substituted Bible for Magisterium.
Thus began the explosion of opinions passed off as 'holy-spirit-delivered-revelation' which gave us the 40 thousand denominations of today.
so, this happened a while ago - but i never posted on it.
during a co visit, he gave a talk relating to jesus ransom (i think) and the "debt" that was owed by sin, etc.... he kept saying "debt" and he kept pronouncing the "b".
so it sounded like "deb-t".
I was listening to a JW read a scripture the other day about
joint heirs and he pronounced it hairs.
well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.
i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.
they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.
T-shirt:
Change horse to 'arse.'