I need your opinion and a discussion...
Tell me what you think, both Pros and Cons...
The Governments of Norway and Russia have both targeted Watchtower's severely inhumane policy of Disfellowship separating and isolating members by ostracizing them and labeling them as 'mentally diseased", etc.
DIS FELLOWSHIP.is a mushy concept unfamiliar to non-JW's.
That word doesn't convey brutal, cold, and uncaring shunning and the impact on vulnerable persons cut off from family and friends.
I propose swapping the phrase "Religious Apartheid" for the term "disfellowship" because it is
significantly more impactful, familiar, and gut-wrenching.
JW's teach practice and promote discrimination, opprobrium, and animus in punishing by isolation those who disagree with their doctrines.
Moreover - It is a de facto death sentence both spiritually and (according to the expectation of Armageddon)
literally as well.
What do you think?
Persuasive words and phrases profoundly affect how people think, feel, and behave.
A judge or other government official confronting an accusation of "fellowship" vs. "apartheid" is subjectively and objectively more attuned to the injurious fallout of such a policy.
WHAT SAY YOU - should the entire EXJW community re-label Disfellowship - replacing the terminology
in our public discourse and activism?
Posts by Terry
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OPINIONS PLEASE: I propose a new strategy against the Watchtower policy of DISFELLOWSHIP
by Terry ini need your opinion and a discussion...tell me what you think, both pros and cons...the governments of norway and russia have both targeted watchtower's severely inhumane policy of disfellowship separating and isolating members by ostracizing them and labeling them as 'mentally diseased", etc.
dis fellowship.is a mushy concept unfamiliar to non-jw's.that word doesn't convey brutal, cold, and uncaring shunning and the impact on vulnerable persons cut off from family and friends.i propose swapping the phrase "religious apartheid" for the term "disfellowship" because it is significantly more impactful, familiar, and gut-wrenching.jw's teach practice and promote discrimination, opprobrium, and animus in punishing by isolation those who disagree with their doctrines.
moreover - it is a de facto death sentence both spiritually and (according to the expectation of armageddon) literally as well.
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DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)
by Terry in(event 201).
“event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .
what was the event?.
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I personally am asserting NOTHING.
What I am doing is trying to see if other people are saying SOMETHING.
I think what starts these "CONSPIRACIES" is the dodgy disposition of Bill Gates.
His interviews about Epstein, for instance. And his responses just aren't easily believable by
about half the country.
_______Conspiracies develop around a certain Billionaire named Bill Gates largely because
he plays dumb about simple questions.
For instance, when asked directly about MICROCHIP implants in vaccinations.Say what?
Let's go to the Smithsonian magazine's article in 2019.Quote:
"The tattoo technology, described today in the journal Science Translational Medicine, is still in the early stages of development and hasn’t yet been tested in humans. But the team’s experiments in rats suggest that these medical marks are both safe and long-lasting, and can be administered alongside vaccines without compromising efficacy."
Notice this next paragraph:
Quote:
"Backed by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, interviews in Malawi, Bangladesh, Benin,
and Kenya will begin early next year.(2020)“We want people to be comfortable,” says study author Kevin McHugh, a bioengineer at Rice University.
“The goal is widespread adoption.”_______
Okaaaaay.
Sounds like the poor people in Africa are going to be a test case.
What else should we know?
Quote in Smithsonian mag:
"From there, reading the dots becomes a lot like scanning a QR code. Though invisible to the naked eye, dots stamped onto pieces of pig and human skin lit up in clear patterns—a circle, rectangle or cross—when viewed through a smartphone fitted with an infrared filter, the team found."
The TITLE of this article has a tagline:
"But technology raises several ethical concerns that could stymie its progress".
Ya think?As a result of these "ethical concerns," a poll was published demonstrating who was concerned and how many.
Yahoo Poll in May of 2020: Are concerned about ethics
Republicans = 44%
Democrats = 19%
Independants = 24%
______________________________43% Dems + Independants
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RICE UNIVERSITY called these "Quantum Dot Tattoos"
IBM called them "Electronic Documents"
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation paid for and patented it.
So here is where the CONSPIRACY THEORIES began:
Nora O'Donnell asks Gates:
"Do you want a vaccine so you can put microchips into people?"
Triggering this response from Bill Gates:
"No - there's no connection between any of these vaccines and any
tracking type thing at all. I don't know where that came from."
Make of that what you will.
Saying "any of these vaccines" contradicts the vaccinations in Africa - doesn't it?
Or am I missing something?
I'm sure those who want to use these issues to score political points and create a
Boogeyman are thrilled by this controversy.
When asked about the claim, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation told Reuters,
“The reference to “digital certificates” relates to efforts to create an
open-source digital platform with the goal of expanding access to safe, home-based testing.”
IBM describes a digital certificate as an “electronic document” used to identify an individual,
And associate the identity with a public key. Like a driver’s license or a passport, it provides proof of a person’s identity (here).
See where it says (here)?
That “link” does NOT exist.
---The requested page does not exist or might have moved.---
On that same Web Page is a link to RICE UNIVERSITY’s Web Page :
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/spiky-patch-could-invisibly-record-vaccination-history-under-skin-180973809/
There is a “There” there - but who knows how innocent? I think that margin of “WHO KNOWS?” is enough to scare certain people who don’t trust Gates for other (Epstein) reasons.
That’s my research. Draw your own conclusions.Is this an electronic SHIBBOLETH in the long run?
Stay tuned…
Conclusion?
“There are plenty of reasons why patients might hesitate to sign on to such an unusual procedure. One of the biggest issues, Lee says, involves privacy, something that’s already a hot-button topic in the realm of health records. Carrying medical information on the body—even in a form that’s “invisible” without a special filter—could invite stigma, discrimination, or worse. You want to advance science. But you also want to be mindful of the potential impact that science might have.”And Kendall Hoyt, a biosecurity expert at Dartmouth College’s Geisel School of Medicine, warned that the idea of administering tattoos might not be well received. Potential patients could reject the procedure out of fear or mistrust. They may worry that authorities are using the patches to “encrypt” information onto individuals. She notes that:
“Given the nature of these issues, the team’s tattoos could end up widening the chasm between patients and health providers, both foreign and local. If communication about the product isn’t initiated early. I worry about the unintended consequences. It could make things worse than they already are.” Kendall Hoyt, PhD
In October 2019 Microsoft founder Bill Gates, who, together with his wife, runs the richest and most powerful foundation in the world, co-organized a simulation exercise on a worldwide corona epidemic. Videos were posted documenting the exercise. But intriguingly Gates now denies such an exercise ever took place.
Why? On April 12, 2020, Bill Gates said in an interview to the BBC, “Now here we are. We didn’t simulate this, we didn’t practice, so both the health policies and economic policies, we find ourselves in uncharted territory.”
This is the same person who, just six months before the outbreak of the pandemic, organized a series of four role-playing simulations of a corona pandemic with very high-ranking participants. Event 201 was a simulation of a corona pandemic conducted by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum, and Johns Hopkins University in October 2019.
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THAT'S ALL I HAVE MANAGED TO PULL TOGETHER.
Bread crumbs or just overlapping coincidences? Who knows? I don't.
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My favorite DEBUNKER, Jon Stewart
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DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)
by Terry in(event 201).
“event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .
what was the event?.
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joey jojo says:
That doesn't mean it was planned, or man-made- they simply knew it was inevitable that at some point, a virus in an animal could jump to humans and cause a pandemic. That's why event 201 used a sars virus as its model.
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In October 2019, a month before the first case of the Coronavirus is believed to have been reported in China, an event was organized that facilitated a 3.5-hour “pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic.” That event, organized on October 18 that year, was called Event 201.Event 201 recorded the participation of 15 global business, government, and public health leaders in the simulation exercise “that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.”
According to its website, “The exercise consisted of pre-recorded news broadcasts, live “staff” briefings, and moderated discussions on specific topics. These issues were carefully designed in a compelling narrative that educated the participants and the audience.”
The website said, “Experts agree that it is only a matter of time before one of these epidemics becomes global—a pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences. A severe pandemic, which becomes “Event 201,” would require reliable cooperation among several industries, national governments, and key international institutions.”
Event 201 Scenario
The Event 201 Scenario imagines an outbreak of a novel zoonotic Coronavirus that is transmitted from bats to pigs and eventually humans.
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Latest Papers
by Doug Mason inwhile these are not specifically pointed to the watchtower, i thought that someone could be interested.
i have just completed the paper at the top of the list.. “conception of the great religions” (99+) discussion: conception of the great religions - academia.edu .
“the amazing transformation of david”.
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If you don't compile, index and publish all (and I mean ALL) of your research writings it will
be a tragedy!
You have built a super highway into the past with roadsigns, diners, gas stations, and GPS coordinates.
Don't let it all go to waste!
Plenty of people will appreciate your lucubrations.
Thanks, Doug!
Oh - and here is a tip - try the YouTube channel MYTHVISION PODCAST. It has the greatest Bible scholars in the world on there. -
Which is WITCH?
by Terry inwhich is witch?.
before we begin - i have two questions for you.. first: do you steal people’s pets and charge them money to return them?
i told her i’d pay your referral fee.
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WHICH is WITCH?
New in town, sir?
Pardon?
Oh. Sorry - I saw you looking at that travel guide and um …
It’s new to me …is there a YWCA in this city?
Yes - a Battered Women’s Shelter on Barton St. behind The Olde Bakery on Elm.
Who said anything about ‘battered women’? Nevermind. I’m looking for my sister.
She’s been missing eleven months.
I never introduced myself. I’m Billy Ray Barton. I’m in the Chamber of Commerce. We try to help strangers and – I thought maybe -
Go away, Billy Ray. You obviously can’t help me.
You’re upset. Here’s a thought. There’s a Psychic Reader across the street, Madame Lenya Kasparian. What have you got to lose? She found my cat for me. I can see from your expression I’d better run along now.
Best of Luck to you!
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out
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I’m Madame Kasparian. I am here to help you.
Be seated. You must relax. Remove your shoes if you like.
I don’t want you to pay me anything.
Not unless I help you find your cat.
That will cost you $200 dollars. Understood?
I’m not looking for a damned cat. My sister is missing.
If you help me find her - I’ll pay you a thousand dollars cash! Understood?
Of course. Of course. I sense that now. I feel it deeply.
A strong aura of pain - of despair - hanging over you following you everywhere you go.
Shall we begin?
Before we begin - I have two questions for you.
First: Do you steal people’s pets and charge them money to return them?
Second: Did Billy Bob just call you to say I’m a referral?
(Sigh) My husband steals neighborhood animals. And yes - I kick back $25 to Billy Ray
if you pay me. Straight up. Now shall we begin?
But your confession leaves me without any confidence at all that you have mysterious powers that can return my sister - unless, of course - you kidnapped her.
Did you do that, Madame Lenya?
Certainly not. It is my husband who runs that side of things.
My powers are very real. I told you the truth because I would be cursed if I lied about this.
My mother was a famous Reader in the Old Country. Her mother before her. I’m the seventh daughter of a seventh son. My powers are real.
Now tell me everything or get out.
Your choice.
I’m not gullible. I am desperate.
Yes. Let’s begin. Here is a photograph of Frances. She is 32 years old.
I last saw her almost a year ago. The police do nothing without a corpse to inspire them, I suppose. A detective cheated me out of his retainer and I refused to pay him his fee when he couldn’t prove he’d not been sitting on his ass and stringing me along.
Now - how do we do this?
If you were gullible - and you claim you are not - I’d turn the lights down and use my crystal ball. I’d light incense. I’d go into a trance. But none of that is necessary. Not with an agnostic person. Why waste my acting talents on non-belief? Place your hands on the table, palms down, and look straight into my eyes. I’m going to hypnotize you.
It may be possible - but - okay. I’m exhausted. I will go along and follow your suggestions.
Tell me your name, sir.
Francis
Your sister’s name?
Frances. Spelled differently, of course.
Look into my eyes and do your best NOT to BLINK. Repeat after me…
“Isten zaklatott gyermeke vagyok, és a nővéremet keresem”
I don’t know what the hell you are saying!
Repeat the sounds. The meaning is unimportant.
The message isn’t for you.
It is for …them. The spirits.
Oh - well, sure. If it’s for “the spirits”.
“Isten zaklatott gyermeke vagyok, és a nővéremet keresem”
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_____________Oh - Mr. Francis! You’re back. Was Lenya able to help you?
Actually, yes.
Outstanding! That’s great to hear.
That’s why I’m back. I told her I’d pay your referral fee. Here it is.
Oh? Well - I’m embarrassed. But not so embarrassed that I won’t accept the cash, of course.
Of course. Here’s your money. How is your cat?
Clementine is just fine. I had given up searching till …well -
Madame Lenya really knows what she’s doing. Glad she was able to help you.
I bet you are. But - well... Nevermind.
No - tell me. What is it?
I shouldn’t say.
Go ahead. What is it?
Clementine wasn’t really lost at all. That’s a fact.
Lenya’s husband stole your cat.
I ought to turn her in...to the police.
But - she could curse you!
So, let’s just chalk it up to a learning experience. Both of us.
Curses are bullshit. She should be in jail - for stealing pets for ransom!
Some curses are real - if - if you want to hear about them.
How so?
Sit down and listen.
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____Last year I decided I would kill myself. I was deeply depressed.
Therapists were no help. Pills were their idea of problem-solving.
Nothing solves a problem like pills - right?A big handful solves big problems.
What was the cause of your…? I mean - if you don’t mind saying?
A feeling of Alienation. That’s a psychiatric word.
I never fit in. Not in school. Not among friends. I had a dark secret I couldn’t share.
I mentioned suicide to my therapist - I got locked up. All for ‘my own good’.
So they said.That’s awful. I’m sorry.
I wised up. The only way out was to convince my doctors I was feeling better.
I’d seen the light. Fit as a fiddle. Fake it till you make it, right?
Not really. No. Not in my experience.
I was released and given a nice prescription for a week’s worth of - what else?
Powerful pills. I was able to assure them I’d call a hotline if I ever had dark thoughts again. I headed home to do the deed. I passed a Fortune Teller sign like the one Madame Lenya has across the street.
Interesting…a family franchise, perhaps.
It was strictly Halloween. Phony baloney. So I thought.
Meaning?
The Madame or Witch - asked me curious questions and then concluded
I was under a curse!The curse could only be cured if I wrote my darkest secrets on a slip of paper - and then - Madame the Witch would babble incantations and burn the slip of paper.
That’s when I’d be cured - if - I PAID for the ritual in cash.
Sounds familiar, did it work?
I wrote my secrets and she burned them.
Don’t ask me why but I laughed at her and then I ran out.
She must have sent her husband or brother - whatever - over to my apartment
to collect...but he found me sprawled on the floor with the empty bottle of pills.
What a tragic story!
I woke up in the Emergency Room.
I don’t understand - the Fortune Tellers’ husband saved your life? Why would he?
I thought about that.
After I left, she had obviously read the slip of paper (having burnt a fake one). Half of my secret was suicide. You know how police are - suspicious. Right?
After the Emergency Ward…
I wasn’t let out of lock-up (for my own good) for almost half a year after that second attempt.
And - the curse is what?
I figure it was the fact I woke up extremely confused.
I had a terrible feeling.
About my sister. I couldn’t shake it off…the dread!
You thought those awful people had -what? Kidnapped her?
I’ve said too much already. Why tempt fate now?
Of course, you’re scared. If they kidnapped her what else are they capable of doing?
Don’t let your imagination run away with you! I said none of that.
I feel responsible for referring you to that - that Witch.
I’m terribly sorry.
(Sigh) You are a stranger. It’s all out in the open now.
Why shouldn’t I unburden myself?
You see - my sister never went missing.
Say what? Did you murder her? Did they murder her?
Slow down. You don’t know me…
I came from a fundamentalist family. Strict upbringing.I lived as an outsider inside my family.
I
pretended I had a sister, privately.I needed a confidante and I told "her" my true feelings.
It’s not all that crazy, really.
Don't all kids talk to their Teddy bears or dolls - or imaginary friends?
Eventually, I actually believed she was real.
It wasn’t me who was lost - oh no -
It was my imaginary sister instead!
It gave me a purpose - a noble quest - a reason to live!
What are you telling me?
Madame Lenya hypnotized you and you realized there is no sister?Something more shocking. I suddenly faced a startling moment of self-revelation:
I AM my sister!
I was never a Brother. Not really. Inside my soul - I AM her.
I had run away from everything -
Even myself. My curse was in ever thinking I was ME.
I’m no doctor but - it sounds like your curse has been removed
and - oh I don't know, I'm out of my depth.
I may not know who I am exactly - but I do know who I am not.
Great things have small beginnings, don't they?
Think of it as simply …the beginning of…FREEDOM.
It's like that song, isn't it? Me and Bobby McGee...
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
A mixed blessing.
We’ll split the difference and say -
a cursed blessing ...which Witch is which?__________
The End
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DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)
by Terry in(event 201).
“event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .
what was the event?.
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The people I know who should be at least curious about the facts of Event 201 are ver
dismissive of the implications and won't even scan through the material or watch the
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The history of JW CONSCIENCE put in perspective (Brothers sent to prison: misled?)
by Terry inconscience and war.
clash of certainties.
in 1616, the catholic church was absolutely certain the words of the holy bible were true concerning the planet earth and its place in the universe; especially in regards to this scripture "...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved.
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titch4 hours ago
Terry: Thanks for posting this. It was a long read, but I finally took the time to read all the way through. Thanks again.....Best Regards.....Titch.
Thanks not only for reading the whole big gulp but also for stopping by to give a kind word.
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IT shouldn't be there!
by Terry init shouldn’t be there!knowing where things are is very important; the geography of a place, learning what should and shouldn’t be there.
if for no other reason, this is important for reasons of safety.when you awaken in the middle of the night, for instance.where am i?simple question - important question.
why wouldn’t we want to know that?for one thing, sanity itself is tested by means of knowing where you are, who you are, ‘when’ and ‘why’ you are where you are.my aunt…let me tell you about her for a small moment.
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The history of JW CONSCIENCE put in perspective (Brothers sent to prison: misled?)
by Terry inconscience and war.
clash of certainties.
in 1616, the catholic church was absolutely certain the words of the holy bible were true concerning the planet earth and its place in the universe; especially in regards to this scripture "...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved.
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The history of JW CONSCIENCE put in perspective (Brothers sent to prison: misled?)
by Terry inconscience and war.
clash of certainties.
in 1616, the catholic church was absolutely certain the words of the holy bible were true concerning the planet earth and its place in the universe; especially in regards to this scripture "...the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved.
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Most - if not ALL - of what happened to the Bible Students in Germany can be laid at the feet
of Judge Rutherford, IMHO.
I am no psychiatrist. I can't read minds either.
After suddenly being let out of prison, my thesis is this: Joe Rutherford really began believing
his own bullshit. And it was filled with vengeance.
Here is just a short list of his damage:
The persecution of school children for NOT SALUTING THE FLAG is at Rutherford's instigation.
Angry Catholic mobs persecuting JW's is at the behest of Rutherford's onslaught, radio speeches,
rhetoric, and cat-calling out of "Religionists".
Rutherford was determined to use PERSECUTION as his insane PROOF JW's were the true religion.
Rutherford INVENTED Jehovah's Witnesses and played with his toy soldiers like a sadistic child who tortures a cat,
Watchtower became more and more dangerous. Under KNORR - the obsession with BLOOD and transfusions
became more and more outrageous. Many deaths can be attributed to Nathan Knorr's account.
Being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a NEGATIVE PERSONA fashioned by doctrine.
Take whatever Christianity is and become its exact opposite.
For many years, none of the Bible Students would admit to being a RELIGION because,
"Religion is a snare and a racket."
We became a religion to avail ourselves of TAX EXEMPT status.
At that point, a change was made: We were True religion.
We don't have a church - we have a Kingdom Hall.
We don't celebrate anything except DEATH. (Jesus' death)
How do we celebrate? We show up and DON'T participate!
Negative worship is our specialty.
Bible knowledge isn't good enough - it must be "accurate" knowledge.
Accurate how? Interpretation by Governing Body.
Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is NOT what JW's teach, believe, or practice.
Baptism candidates have to pass an indoctrination quiz and swear allegiance to the Faithful Slave.
The test of a true Christian (in a judicial committee meeting) hinges on saying "YES"
when the loyalty to the Faithful Slave query is made. Nothing else matters.
It took Watchtower 100 years to transform into a carbon copy of the Catholic Church.
GB = Pope
Cardinals = GB helpers
Priests = Elders
Laity = rank and file worshippers
JW's even have their own child molestation scandal!
The edifice of Watchtower has always been about 3 things.
1. Plagiarism of crackpot Adventist/World's End teachings mixed with Pyramid drivel
2. Peddling and salesmanship through publishing and indoctrination
3. Making shit up - predicting Armageddon "soon" +backtracking and NEW LIGHT
Real Estate Financing, book+magazine sales+contributions used to float the boat until
lawsuits drained the treasury.
Lawyers took over and reshaped all the Corporate structure in 1972 as a means
of surviving the 1975 backlash of failed prophetic disaster.
The GB is a figurehead. They are brainless drones mouthing nonsense.
The education work (begun by Knorr) evaporated. Why? No Fred Franz anymore.
Franz could pull unicorns and rainbows out of his ass and build amazing videogame-style scenarios that held millions of JW's captive (inside their own imaginations).
Franz went insane but they made him PRESIDENT anyway!
The lawyers didn't care because they ran the corporations anyway!
Watchtower Doctrine is like the entrails of a rotting Elk torn open by a bear attack.
It is a stinking mess.