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  TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector

  by Terry in

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  what happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.

  the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.

  if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.

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  TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector

  by Terry in

  1. jw
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  what happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.

  the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.

  if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.

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  Terry

  Incidentally, what the hell is this all about and what is it doing in the middle of my thread??
  
  
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  TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.

  the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.

  if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.

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  DIRTY LITTLE SECRET
  
  REFUSAL of a LEGAL exemption allowing Conscientious Objectors to serve in local communities
  is NOT the same thing as refusal to join the armed forces!
  
  1. You go before a local Draft Board and you are interviewed by the F.B.I. and state that your
  conscience and religious beliefs will not permit serving in the armed forces. That is refusal number one.
  You are legally in your rights to do so. No prison punishment required.
  2. The law allows you to serve local community needs in a hospital instead as an alternate choice.
  The JW REFUSES (the 2nd refusal) because his congregation leader privately tells him he can't - but -he's not allowed to point the finger at this instruction.
  That is a conspiracy and it is illegal. The GB were cowards hiding their undue influence.
  
  I know approximately 20 JWs who served time in Federal prison and who are STILL IN the Org
  but who never realized (because they never "self-questioned" at an analytical level) the
  fact that they DOUBLE REFUSED.
  It has to be explained to them over and over and even
  when they see it and understand it and acknowledge it - after a month passes - astoundingly,
  they have forgotten all about it!!
  Ask any old-timer JW why he went to prison and he will NEVER say it was the 2nd Refusal
  that put him in jail.
  It is a DIRTY LITTLE SECRET even their own heart and mind cannot grasp.
  
  
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  Is there a 'dark mode' available for this site?

  by ProdigalApostate in

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  i view this site on my mobile browser and would prefer to use it in dark mode (white text on black background).

  dark mode helps conserve battery on an oled display used on most phones.

  how do i enable it for this site?

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  Terry

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO9fTnMxwYw

  This may or may not be a solution
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  TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.

  the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.

  if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.

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  WHAT HAPPENED to Jehovah’s Witness young men and WHY did it happen?
  
  
  ______In the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the Military
  (during the Vietnam War) or to comply with the Alternate Service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.

  Non-Jehovah’s Witnesses were faced with only one refusal: Military Service.
  JW boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the Alternate civilian service as well.
  The Superior Authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.
  The law was clear on this. If we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our Witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.
  A no-brainer to them. But to us? Our leaders applied pressure to “not compromise.”
  Was the Superior Authority trying to stop us from preaching? No.
  Was the Superior Authority trying to punish us for our beliefs? No.
  
  
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  DUTY to Jehovah vs duty to Superior Authority
  
  We young JW Brothers were admonished to omit public mention of “any influence” at all by others.
  (“Others” means our overseers and organization leaders acting in private).
  We were told to say to the authorities that it was our personal conscience at work without undue influence or pressure to act against our own best interests.
  WAS IT OUR CONSCIENCE or the influence in secret by our leaders pushing us
  toward double refusal of legal alternatives to Military service?
  (Were we telling a white lie?) (Theocratic Strategy?)
  
  This is where the Seagoville Prison story really begins
  The U.S. Government saw us as one group within a larger group of men refusing to comply with the law - not for political protest but for reasons of deeply-held beliefs.
  (Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hutterites, Mennonites, 7th Day Adventists, etc.)
  The following is an excerpt from a study analysis conducted by our government.
  These documents are found online in the President Gerald Ford Library of records.
  I discovered this recently and was quite fascinated in terms of our JW community and the other C.O.’s in their community.
  To the analysts, we were a case study in human behavior.
  An odd group of ages, races, psychological types, and special motivations.
  TAKE A LOOK BELOW.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Fascinating? Yes, I think so. A perspective is possible using this information.
  To see ourselves as others saw us is an amazing gift.
  Let us continue…
  
  “He did indicate that he would be willing to perform similar services under a court order of probation.”
  How is this not the exact definition of “compromise”? Any Brother who performs alternate Civilian service under the Law as it stood and the same Brother performing alternate Civilian service under Probation differ not at all - except for the fact that Brother is disrespecting the authority of Caesar by dictating his own terms.
  If a Policeman wants to give you a ticket for speeding but you insist he let you off without a ticket and only THEN you’ll comply with the speed limit - is this not disrespect and a high-handed sense of entitlement? Asking for or demanding “special treatment” would place JWs in an Elite category outside the law. Historically Christians have not demanded such privileges.

  
  
  
  
  In a sense - by refusing Alternate Service we Brothers shot ourselves in the collective foot. Rather than being free to go door-to-door or conduct Bible studies in a regular community as well as rendering Samaritan-like aid to injured or sick persons in a hospital setting (as Alternate Service provides) - most of us placed ourselves in a strait-jacket of idle time constraints and the pressure and anxiety on our families was considerable.
  
  (All the above is excerpted from Gerald Ford Presidential Library and Museum:) https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0193/18558946.pdf

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  What follows is :
  A Transcript from National Public Radio:
  
  (4,500 Jehovah’s Witnesses during the Vietnam War. ¾ of 6,000)
  

  WHAT ABOUT: Alternate HOSPITAL WORK?
  
  
  MILITARY SERVICE was off the table as soon as we announced we are Conscientious Objectors.
  I was arrested and sentenced as a Youth and “Conscientious Objector” (age 20) to an indeterminate span of up to 6 years. (1967-1969 served. On parole until 1973))
  
  While under the oversight authority of the Seagoville Federal Correctional Institution, I had been attacked and sexually abused. I was paroled at the age of 23. I have written the book, “I WEPT BY THE RIVERS of BABYLON (A Prisoner of Conscience in a Time of War) about my prison experience.
  
  The month following my parole, this article was published.
  
  "If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, Jesus foretold: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!"
  Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
  
  JW Reasoning:
  Higher education? Who needs it now? Armageddon is coming SOON!
  A career in Medicine? Who needs it now? Armageddon is coming SOONER!
  Marriage and children? Not now - did we mention Armageddon?
  Financial Planning for security in your old age? “You will never grow old …”
  
  QUESTION: Were Jehovah’s Witnesses being guided, led, persuaded, pressured into abandoning a “normal” life by setting aside everything but the promotion of “imminent Armageddon” by Watchtower leaders? Or were they free to ignore the excitement and assurances and remain in good stead?
  Most of us were taught, instructed, inculcated to view our governing leaders as reporting prophetic words direct from Jehovah! In fact, we were told we’d be “bloodguilty” if we did not engage in this message and lifestyle.
  
  

  As the “only” true religion headed by the “mouthpiece” of God (Faithful and Discreet Slave) were they prophets?
  
  WT 7-1-73 p.402: Looks like they are answering the question right here.
  
  
  This prophetic message had a dramatic effect on all of Jehovah’s Witnesses and especially young people such as myself. In 1974 the Kingdom Ministry reported that the number of pioneers boomed, with people commended for selling homes to spend the short time left in God's Service. Likewise, it was recommended to put off raising children. Was this only a “suggestion”? Or was it promoted with a dramatic certainty nobody on earth could afford to ignore?
  
  I signed up for the regular Pioneer work at 100 hours per month starting the day I was paroled.
  I mention this only to indicate my level of sincere determination and depth of commitment.
  
  

  

  "Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly, this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."
  
  (Our Watchtower spirit-led leaders cheered selling your home and property- why would they later blame those same zealous Pioneers as erratic fringe fanatics rather than apologize for their own complicity?)
  
  Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

  "Today there is a great crowd of people who are confident that destruction of even greater magnitude is now imminent. The evidence is that Jesus' prophecy will shortly have a major fulfillment, upon this entire system of things. This has been a major factor in influencing many couples to decide not to have children at this time." Awake! 1974 Nov 8 p.11

  
  Of course, there are always skeptics and critical thinkers like the
  “Bereans who examine the scriptures daily to see if these things are so.”
  To those people, the Watchtower and Awake! writers had surprising admonition:
  
  “One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of man's existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation! (Matt. 24:34) This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matt. 24:36)
  To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient that the Father himself knows both the "day and hour"!
  Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.494 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?

  
  

  It is now the year 2022. The “Faithful” Slave was dead wrong. Their handiwork was indiscreet. (Define Discreet: careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, especially in order to avoid causing offence or to gain an advantage.
  
  
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  The words ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN came from our Governing Body. Should we ignore these words as incriminating in their complete lack of “careful and circumspect” language?
  
  Can we honestly say this End Times warning came at “the proper time”?
  
  
  
  LINK TO ABOVE: shorturl.at/bvUW7

  
  

  SHOULD WE really BE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW?
  
  

  (NOTE: Elders today become jittery, uncomfortable, and aggressive in my experience when anybody dares to raise the topic of WHAT HAPPENED in 1975.) The history of what really happened exists in print by the Society.
  
  1975: Did it happen the way we all remember it – or not??
  
  Have you heard the term “gaslighting?”
  
  
  How often have we heard young Elders who didn’t live during the run-up to 1975 try to tell us “It didn’t happen that way”?
  
  What I hear time and again is that only “immature” brothers and sisters got carried away. But following the Governing Body’s explicit admonition is not a “take it - or leave” choice for any member. Is it? Not unless you wish to be labeled “apostate.” See below the official pronouncement on the matter.
  
  
  Really? Was it IMMATURE to take the Governing Body at its own printed word?
  
  The Annual Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses reveals

  a loss of about half a million members. Were they stumbled or just immature? Or worse- were they stumbled?
  Those who expected THE END were definitely led to believe it.
  
  

  WE BROTHERS WENT TO PRISON specifically as a matter of FAITH in submitting to the Faithful Slave. That entity represents itself as the spirit-led official Truth from Jehovah.
  
  
  Bible Only just doesn’t seem to fly. Instead, it is Bible (as interpreted) by Governing Body guesses.
  
  Respect for the right of a government in Romans 13:1 Superior Authorities - to give us an “out”: Alternate Community Service meant our conscience could be clear if we worked in a hospital or hospice.
  However ...
  The Faithful Slave claimed authority to override our legal alternative choice and told us what to say and do. We did it. We were asked to do more than what the Bible required of us.
  
  The current official policy is - it’s not anybody’s business; only a matter of personal conscience.
  
  (That change in policy which came on May 1, 1996, WT does not mention or admit to any change in policy and makes no reference to the previous stand and its change from the stand previous to that.

  It is common practice for the WTS to omit mention of the previous doctrine when introducing changes. This hinders newer JWs from knowing what was taught previously and in the present instance means no apology is made to those JWs who went to prison needlessly or to their families who anguished as to their safety.
  After all - didn’t we say “it is our conscience speaking and not theirs?”)

  Under Rutherford, brothers defied the governments thinking they were right to do so. Jehovah and Jesus were their Superior Authority.
  Under Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, the earthly government clearly had the Superior Authority to offer an alternative for people of conscience. It was Brother Knorr and Brother Franz who asked more of us - not the Bible.
  
  We did not argue. We did not second guess. We did exactly as we were told to do.
  The question is: Were we faithful to men or God? Sadly - to most of us that doesn’t matter. Wow!
  
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  THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words

  by Terry in

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  governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.

  we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”

  1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .

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  What you can say about the Watchtower as an organization is that
  IT BELIEVES IN ITSELF just as much as it believes in Jehovah.
  
  The men (always men) see themselves as SELECTED out of the many; CHOSEN.
  
  Out of billions and billions of humans a very few are hand-picked
  by the Eternal Living God.
  That should take your breath away.
  
  HOW IS IT DONE? Well - don't bother asking.
  They JUST KNOW. Isn't that amazing and bewildering?
  
  Men who "just know" how very special they themselves are get to make up shit and
  over EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE will automatically agree, respond, and risk their lives to perform
  even the most menial chores over and over - and for FREE.
  It is nothing if it isn't astoundingly MENTAL.
  
  You find this mentality in SCIENTOLOGY.
  (One of my best friends was a Scientologists. He was absolutely convinced.)
  You find this mentality in CHRISTIAN SCIENCE.
  You find this mentality in insane asylums, prisons, and in UFO, BIGFOOT, FLAT EARTH cults, too.
  
  I myself at the age of 20 willingly went into prison in 1967 and was paroled in 1969. WHY?
  I WAS TOLD and I believed: it was the right thing to do.
  Was I gullible? Stupid? Naive?
  When I was released from prison I didn't have a job but I married a JW and had 3 kids
  and Pioneered. I could b-a-r-e-l-y afford to pay rent, pay biills, and put food on the table.
  IT WAS A MISERABLE LIFE.
  Why did I do this to myself?
  Well - it was just a very few years until 1975. (Hang on Sloopy...hang on.)
  Countdown....
  1969
  1970
  1971
  1972
  1973
  1974 (Can you feel it coming in the air tonight...oh boy!)
  
  

  
  

  Suddenly - I had a breakdown.
  There was only one year left to go. I was working as a janitor.
  I was a rat on a rat wheel running breathless in circles.
  Exhausted. Poor. Befuddled and - ANGRY at my life.
  
  I packed up my wife and 3 very small kids into a 1970 Ford Maverick and headed WEST.
  (Go west, young man - go West.)
  I drove from Fort Worth, Texas to Rancho Cucamonga, California!
  My Aunt Shirley took us in until I found a job as an "ARTIST."
  
  Just as suddenly, I was born anew. Just like THAT!
  I escaped.
  I met REAL PEOPLE. (I made friends for life).
  
  1975 came and disappeared like an almost sneeze (you almost sneeze but can't.)
  
  NOTHING happened and all the JW's who held their breath went blue in the face.
  A baptism of disappointment? No.
  A NON-event event.
  A tornado was coming that didn't arrive. One by one, they came out of the storm shelter.
  
  Dusted off and went back to the rat-wheel ,,,
  
  I flourished as an artist and as joyful as a frisky kitten!
  THE SPELL WAS BROKEN. But for my wife, and JW friends NOTHING CHANGED.
  
  I stayed in until I was kicked out.
  I wept. I grieved. FOR WHAT?
  I grieved for the years of my youth I'd never get back in which I sacrificed myself (my time) for
  abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. For people who claimed to LOVE me but instantly did NOT.
  
  We all have a story sort of like that. Each a bit different. Some more tragic and some less so.
  
  The thing is...MANY MILLIONS are stuck inside that sinking ship.
  So many suspect it is a lie but can't say so.
  
  This Discussion Group is a kind of oasis for travelers who have come through the desert exhausted,
  burned to a crisp, used up, half mad - but (importantly) OUT OF THE MADNESS.
  
  I still come here after 43 years out of the Borg. I dip my toe in the water.
  I post comments. I tell my story. Over and over again.
  IT IS MY WAY OF PAYING BACK by trying to pull people out of the icy water of fake paradise.
  
  THE TRUTH just isn't true. It is a factory producing mental illness, wasted lives, delusional zombies,
  empty existence and phony HOPE.
  
  Your mileage may vary but I wish you well one and all...
  
  
  
  
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  THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words

  by Terry in

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  governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.

  we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”

  1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .

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  Rattigan35017 minutes ago

  Terry is good at looking in the rear-view mirror and making obvious statement about the past.

  Here is an obvious statement about the past:

  When the forecast of 1925 failed and then 1975 failed the wheels didn't fall off the religion or the organization.
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  Supernatural authority claims made by religions can be broadly categorized into two types: 1. Claims that are testable and falsifiable, often involving predictions; and 2. Claims that are untestable, relying solely on faith or opinion.

  The leaders of the Watchtower religion fall into the first category, as they have made testable and falsifiable predictions. To assess their motives, we can consider two possibilities: 1. Honest mistakes, and 2. Dishonest mistakes. Detectives, when investigating a crime, examine the history of "persons of interest" to understand their character and tendencies, as past actions often provide valuable insights.

  Let's look at some examples from the Watchtower religion's history:

  Pastor Russell based his chronology on Pyramidology, using measurements inside the Giza Pyramid to make specific date and event predictions. When these predictions failed, he did not apologize, like William Miller did after his incorrect predictions in 1843 and 1844. Instead, Pastor Russell changed the measurements and republished his works with new calculations. This behavior strongly suggests deception.

  Why mention Pyramidology? Pastor Russell used it to convince gullible individuals to buy his books, read his columns, and support his ministry. He even altered the date of the Babylonian captivity from 606 B.C.E. to 607 B.C.E. to fit his narrative, revealing a lack of honesty.

  Fred Franz, often considered an oracle, used his imaginative chronology and biblical interpretations to promote the idea of the New World Paradise beginning in 1925. This prediction failed, but it was later reused for 1975 under a new president, Nathan Knorr, with similarly disastrous results.

  The concept of "New Light" in the Watchtower religion was borrowed from the Seventh Day Adventists.

  Now, let's follow the logical chain of reasoning:

  1. Certain individuals are drawn to end-of-the-world predictions based on scripture, especially when presented with a plausible rationale. They readily believe in such schemes.

  2. When these predictions fail, about one-third of these true believers lose faith and leave.

  3. The hardcore true believers, however, remain steadfast despite evidence to the contrary, forming the foundation for a new population of fanatics.

  4. New recruits are attracted by the promise of new, exciting "proofs" of the end of the world, perpetuating the cycle.

  5. With each failure, the weak believers depart, and the fanatics strengthen their delusion, deepening their cognitive dissonance.

  6. The history of the Watchtower religion reveals that only the hardcore adherents endure, while those who become disillusioned are labeled apostates or disfellowshipped. They remain unheard until the advent of the personal computer.

  7. The religion discards old teachings and replaces them with new ones, fostering constant fear-mongering and denying past failures.

  The ultimate conclusion is that new followers are kept in the dark about the religion's past failures. This lack of awareness prevents them from making rational decisions that would otherwise be shocking and repugnant. The history of "New Light" is a tale of deception, false chronology, fear of Armageddon, fear of apostates, suppression of information, and promises of paradise.
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  THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words

  by Terry in

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  governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.

  we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”

  1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .

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  JOB DESCRIPTION for FAITHFUL SLAVE:
  
  1. Must be DISCREET
  2. Must deliver "food" at the PROPER time
  
  
  
  When applied to a person in charge of sensitive information, "discreet" means the individual is able to handle matters with care and diligence, avoiding any actions that could compromise the information. They are able to juggle multiple tasks and responsibilities with tact and prudence, ensuring the security of the information.
  
  Declaring the "End of 6,000 years of human existence" to be 1975 is NOT discreet and NOT the proper time!
  How many JW's are aware that this exact same "End of 6,000 years of human existence" was ALSO
  applied to 1925?
  Rutherford's belief that the patriarchs' return would occur in 1925 was based on his calculations of the Jewish jubilee, counting forward 3500 years from 1575 BCE
  
  CHRONOLOGY took the place of PYRAMIDOLOGY as the 'shiny object' of fascination.
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  THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.

  we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”

  1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .

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  For BIG DOG:
  
  
  https://jwfacts.com/pdf/flip-flops-watchtower-teachings.pdf

  How many hours spent by how many people for this on again off again light switch?
  The GB just can't keep their hands to themselves; constantly fidgeting with doctrine.
  Why? Because they feel THE POWER they have in getting people to dance to whatever
  crackpot tune they hum.
  Sultans of Balderdash.
  
  Too many cooks spoil the broth.
  The saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth" means that having too many people involved in a situation can make it less successful or more difficult to manage. It often implies that too much meddling or interference can cause problems or confusion, rather than improving things.
  
  There ya go - in a nutshell.
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  THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.

  we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”

  1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .

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  THE REAL CON JOB the G.B. is pulling consists of strongly implying over and over again
  that all the nonsense they produce (wrong or right) is APPROVED by Jehovah and CONSEQUENTLY
  we must approve also. This is a silly if not preposterous sleight of hand card trick.
  The don't call themselves "INSPIRED" but substitute the phrase "SPIRIT LED".
  They call themselves 'prophets' and not PROPHETS. See how desperately silly this is?
  What they take away with one hand, they replace with the other hand.
  To say, "THIS IS HOW JEHOVAH OPERATES" is an exasperating shrug of the shoulder and
  it means, "SHUT UP AND DEAL WITH OUR SHIT", it's okay with the Boss.
  
  If Jehovah is "leading" the Watchtower Society through these Rube-Goldberg shenanigans, it makes a mockery of God.
  Remember all those publications with the Red, Yellow, Green, Orange, Blue covers?
  Stacks and stacks of colorful books and magazines lugged in book bags door to door - that are COMPLETE LANDFILL TRASH - but hundreds of thousands of sincere Christians sold those books full of empty nonsense and wasted their lives doing so.
  
  OLD LIGHT = Mental stool samples from cult leaders lost in their own delusions of grandeur.
  
  The GB defiantly tell us they owe nobody an apology for BEING WRONG!
  What incredible hubris!