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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

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  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  badwillie

  Hey Vita,
  During the hearing one of the elders said something to the effect that "if this is true then the organization is dead". That same Elder in the next sentence then reversed himself and said "that even if it is true it doesn't change anything for me". He reasoned that if it is so, there must be a legitimate reason for it "and besides", he said, "where else is there to go, what other religion has so much truth, and bears Jehovah's name, and preach worlwide". That's when another elder chastised me for even browsing around the UN's website, he said we can trust information that originates with the "Beast" organization. We were then bombarded with scriptures taken out of context that really had no relevance to our situation. It was truly an amazing thing to behold! It's the Inquisition, in 2001.
  - BadWillie.
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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  Xena & everyone else-
  Thanks for the commendation, it helps!
  It's nice to be able to come here and rally some support. It really helps me keep this in proper perspective.
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  Is there any recent news about the WTS and the UN?

  by Leander in

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  i know there have been a quite a few calls and letters sent to the society in connection with this un news.

  the question however is "what is the society's response to their involvement with the un"?.

  also if anyone has the number to the wts headquarters could you please post it?

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  badwillie

  that's the 9/1 or 9/8 1991 AWAKE, sorry.
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  Is there any recent news about the WTS and the UN?

  by Leander in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know there have been a quite a few calls and letters sent to the society in connection with this un news.

  the question however is "what is the society's response to their involvement with the un"?.

  also if anyone has the number to the wts headquarters could you please post it?

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  badwillie

  The 9/1 or 9/8 AWAKE cover article. Check it out, it reads like an advertisment for the UN! ...very deceptive...
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  Guess What - I am going to come clean!!!!!

  by TRUTH in

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  to who will listen:.

  until yesterday, i did not even know that this discussion group or anything like it existed.

  i really did not care.

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  badwillie

  Welcome! I am currently making my own mental exodus from the organization. Your experience was much more severe than mine, but I wish you a speedy recovery!
  - BadWillie
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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  badwillie

  If I had the time and resources to take legal action I might think about it. Right now, I'm just relieved that they didn't disfellowship us, because I still have some family on the inside.
  I'm trying not to get worked up about it because I plan on just slipping out now anyway.
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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  badwillie

  Thanks for all the sympathy and advice.
  Sometimes I feel like appealing it. But I think it could serve a useful purpose especially for my wife and the 2 people we talked to.
  They all know full well that no real "crime" has been committed, so this action only makes the Society look guilty, not us. I am willing to take a hit if it might cause someone else to start thinking. The whole thing has motivated my wife to question everything now.
  - BadWillie.
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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  badwillie

  Tanalyst,
  The idea that is hardest to convey here is that we have no bad feelings towards these men even though we were treated unjustly.
  These are/were our friends. The way they treated us, although very irrational, is understandable from the JW's perspective. I have to really apply Jesus' words here "forgive them, for they know not what they are doing". I do not plan on attending any more meetings after our reproof is announced on Thursday (I want to be there to just to hear it and let it sink in). This leaves me with mixed emotions at this stage because I really do love the people on a personal level.
  - BadWillie
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  NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

  by badwillie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.

  i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.

  my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.

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  badwillie

  My wife and I met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".
  Our crime: Simply put, was talking. I showed a friend the UN website where the WTS was listed as an NGO which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we BOTH have had. My wife also showed a friend the UN thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation. My wife did this even though I warned her of the possible consequences of talking with others about "doubts". Now I'm so glad she did. Her friend was so disturbed by what my wife told her that she went to the PO of our congregation. After 2 meetings with the Elders my wife and I are both to be publicly reproved this Thursday. The good that has come of all this is that my wife who was still wavering between "this is the truth/this isn't the truth" was completely shocked by this quick and harsh decision. Her 16 years of faithful "service" are about to be null and void for merely having a private conversation with a friend about some FACTUAL and PUBLIC information. We were told that it was wrong to be looking at the UN's website, and we had the scripture applied to us about "those that arise and speak twisted things". When the Elders gave us their decision (which was presented as good news - "we've decided to extend mercy and to not disfellowship you"), they told us that although this may seem to us to be a very quick decision it was somethng that they had to "cut out of the congregation like a gangrene or cancer that can spread quickly". My wife is obviously sad by all of this. At the same time though this has served to really open her eyes to the cold machinery that is the WTS. She keeps saying "what a joke" the whole thing is. Anyway, just wanted to inform you all that this UN business is being taken VERY seriously at the local level.
  - Bad Willie.
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  my letter to WTS - RE: the UN problem

  by badwillie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for anyone who's interested, here is what i wrote:.

  watchtower bible & tract society of new york.

  25 columbia heights.

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  badwillie

  MacHislopp & Path - you are welcome to use/edit the contents of my letter. I'm glad that some found it helpful. FYI... I Fedexed the letter and I am tracking it too so that I will get a signature of who received it. This way if I get no response I at least will know that they made a decision to keep quiet on the matter. Let's see what happens, I'll let you know.
  Hey Mac - do you live in the UK? ...I lived in London for almost 9 years.
  - BadWillie.