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  "Jehovah ALWAYS has worked through ONE organization!"

  by Dagney in

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  how many times have we heard this?.

  i would like to know if any of you have any good arguements refuting this.

  my brain is fried from two weeks of "fencing" with jw's.

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  A favorite topic of mine, since this subject is the one that finally awakened me. Yes, I'd been dealing with a few issues, but it was when I read Tom Cabeen's "Does God Work Through an Organization," that I was finally shaken from my Watchtower coma. I now realize that the WTS cannot usually convince you that they have The Truth until they first convince you that "God has always worked through an organization." For most of us, that point was accepted without our challenging it--and led briskly into all the manufactured reasons why theywere that organization.

  I remember many JWs used to remember the date of their baptism as the most important date of their lives. I don't actually remember that date. But I do remember September 15th, 2004: the day I read the above Tom Cabeen article and knew for certain that I'd been misled, and that the WTS was not what it claimed to be.
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  Ooo-oo-ooO! Picture!!! Tucson Apostafest!!! :-O

  by Kudra in

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  here is the picture of (left to right) confession, misanthropic, kudra, specte and menemene:.

  tada!.

  i see a red x!.

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  LOL! I look like I have a crewcut in that shot. I had a great time with you all. Thanks for posting the pic, Kudra!

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  Scan of the latest "Questions From Readers"! OH EM GEE!

  by deaconbluez in

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  The cigarette and Jack Daniels bottle give this classic photo an hilarious effect. Cracked me up...
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  Quotes on 2 Witness Rule?

  by serotonin_wraith in

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  i'm looking for some quotes from jw publications on the two witness rule, and i don't have access to old literature or the cd-rom.

  can you fine folk help me out?.

  just mention where it's from too, and that'll be a big help.

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  Did you notice this very recent thread?

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/138278/1.ashx
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  Two witness rule?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  just downloaded the 'pay attention to the flock' pdf.

  thanks.. noticed the instruction on page 108.. ''if there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, their testimony can be considered.

  such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurence of wrongdoing.''.

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  Yes, Sarah, it appears this thread veered pretty strongly. But that happens quite a bit, and I've probably been guilty of "veering" it myself a time or two.

  Anyway, yes, two witnesses to two separate incidents of the same kind has been part of the WTS official instructions for (at least) many years. No, it is not new. And, yes, children have very definitely been recognized as those "witnesses." (Although sometimes they're testimony has not been considered.)

  Now if only they would turn these matters over to those trained to deal with them properly...
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  Two witness rule?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  just downloaded the 'pay attention to the flock' pdf.

  thanks.. noticed the instruction on page 108.. ''if there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, their testimony can be considered.

  such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurence of wrongdoing.''.

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  Thomas, I've made mention of the provision you quoted from the "Flock" book several times in this forum. It is not new, and I can attest that we used it in a judicial committee I chaired in the mid-90s to DF someone for pedophilia. When I hear people mention the "Two Witness Rule," they almost always (I think ) are under a misunderstanding.

  The fact is the Society does provide for two witnesses of separate but similar incidents as a basis for determining guilt.

  The problem is that this has certainly not always been followed. When I called the C.O. while conducting the above mentioned committee, he said to me, "Yes, may be used to establish guilt. May be... You brothers will have to determine whether it should be." For a variety of reasons, committees have (sadly) decided not to use it.

  What has been slightly frustrating for me is that, when discussing this already sensitive and emotionally charged subject, many of us will say things like what Bill Bowen has published on his web site...

  ."...the only way an accused person within the Watchtower organization can be deemed guilty by church leaders of child molestation is by his/her private confession, or by the mouth of two witnesses who saw the individual crime.."

  http://www.silentlambs.org/press/index.cfm

  I do not mean to denigrate Mr. Bowen or the fine work he has done in helping victims of pedophilia. But the above assertion is simply not accurate. And I don't believe it does our cause any good by distorting this.

  That said, I still maintain that, in order for this loony organization to get out from under its terrible history of mishandling these cases (and thus often terrorizing victims,) is by informing the victims and their families that they absolutely have the legal right and responsibility to report the matter to the local authorities--and that there will be NO sanctions or repercussions organizationally from their doing so.
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  I'm in love...

  by Confession in

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  while i've never been a prolific contributor here at jwd, some may have noticed my dramatically curtailed participation.

  that's because on the evening of saturday, may 19th, i shared a kiss with the woman in the below picture, and that kiss turned into a dramatic and passionate adventure.

  one that we're still both enjoying, and that we've decided to continue.... she is the most exciting, loving, fun, smart, sexy and beautiful woman i have ever met.

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  Thanks, folks. Liz was reading all of your comments and well wishes, and said she was very "impressed" by our community here. Best to you too.
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  Last Post

  by Core88 in

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  i have a family a son and a girl friend out of wedlock that's why i am disfellowshiped.

  i hate my "lie" life.

  and now is the time.

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  I do hope you don't do this. Are you still there?
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  I'm in love...

  by Confession in

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  while i've never been a prolific contributor here at jwd, some may have noticed my dramatically curtailed participation.

  that's because on the evening of saturday, may 19th, i shared a kiss with the woman in the below picture, and that kiss turned into a dramatic and passionate adventure.

  one that we're still both enjoying, and that we've decided to continue.... she is the most exciting, loving, fun, smart, sexy and beautiful woman i have ever met.

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  BFD, I'm glad to hear I helped you feel welcome here. And, yes, I just re-posted the Gilligan's Island ditty on another poster's "Beverly Hillbillies" thread yesterday, in fact. Thanks for your thoughts.

  Brigid & Daystar, here's hoping Venus, Ochun, Chango, and any other mysterious characters continue to smile upon us! (And you two too.)

  WAC, no sisters. Sorry.

  Open Mind, thanks for remembering my story, "That Voice." No pits of dense darkness here. It's funny; kinda reminds me of my mother's comment to me in a letter she once wrote. 'What about those who've left? Where are they now?' ("Um, I dunno, mom. Falling in love with fantastic and beautiful women maybe?")

  AudeSapere, my daughter was a bit surprised, but after a brief period of adjustment has given me her full support. ("I'm really happy for you, dad.") Thanks for asking. Nice hearing from you; hope all is well with you.

  Sandy, thanks so much. Hope you're well too!

  Darth Frosty, no more Mystery Method for me, bro! No date yet, but considering sometime in the first few months of 2008. I'll be in touch.

  Dragon Lady, I couldn't agree more with the "Latin girls rock" thing. At least this Latin girl truly rocks my world.

  Thanks, everybody, for all of your well wishes. I think I get it now: fewer poetry threads and more about love. That's what you people read!
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  I'm in love...

  by Confession in

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  2. relationships

  while i've never been a prolific contributor here at jwd, some may have noticed my dramatically curtailed participation.

  that's because on the evening of saturday, may 19th, i shared a kiss with the woman in the below picture, and that kiss turned into a dramatic and passionate adventure.

  one that we're still both enjoying, and that we've decided to continue.... she is the most exciting, loving, fun, smart, sexy and beautiful woman i have ever met.

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  Who is she?

  Her name is Liz. She was born in southern California, and has lived in Las Vegas and New York, but has called south Florida home for the last 11 years. She is the daughter of Cuban immigrants, and speaks both flawless English and Spanish. She is the younger sister of one of my good friends, and presently works with the same company I do, traveling each weekend. Now we get to room together.