sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".
"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?
you're fired!"..
He goes to the gas station attendant to fill up his tank. The gas station attendant refused him service because he and his partner look gay.
that would be very foolish of the gas station attendant . If he really hates gays, why does he want them hanging around his town? sell them the gas and they leave.
(i realize this topic may have already been addressed so i apologize in advance.).
no, that's not a real headline but i suppose it could be one here in arkansas -- one of several states in the us that has a religious freedom law on their books.. as i understand it, if i, as a jw paramedic, am ordered to deliver a blood product to my patient, i can refuse to do so based on my religious freedom.
as a logical consequence, a patient could die.. would paramedic be an occupation be that one of jehovah's witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood..
Yes, it was a bit of a sticky mess in the past but jws nurses have it easier now. I am retired but it was a big issue in my time.
Yes it is clear about not administering blood to another jws.
(i realize this topic may have already been addressed so i apologize in advance.).
no, that's not a real headline but i suppose it could be one here in arkansas -- one of several states in the us that has a religious freedom law on their books.. as i understand it, if i, as a jw paramedic, am ordered to deliver a blood product to my patient, i can refuse to do so based on my religious freedom.
as a logical consequence, a patient could die.. would paramedic be an occupation be that one of jehovah's witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood..
At one time jws nurses were advised ( told) not to administer blood and most did not. Sometimes jws nurses trade patients to avoid this issue. In the state of Texas as far as I am aware only Rn's or nurses supervised by Rn's can administer blood. It used to be quite and issue for jws nurses but there is new thinking . A CO who was in the hospital and under my care said it was a conscience matter . Many jws nurses work in areas where blood is not likely to be administered and today they use blood less than 20-30 yrs ago. it is not the first treatment for a low blood count but of course is used in ER and OR , ICU, NICU and other high risk areas. I did administer blood a few times but being a devout jws at the time chose to work in areas where blood would never be administered . It would not bother me now but at the time it did offend my conscience as a jws. Administering blood is a big job ( lots of paper work and time involved) so most nurses don't like to trade patients. You'd have to have your best friend working on the floor with you to get away with that very much. So as a jws you either decide to administer blood or not.
btw, the religious freedom law would not cause a patient to die unless a jws nurse/ was the only nurse/person in the entire hospital. Your license says you must provide care and if you personally object to administering blood you MUST find another nurse to do it. Otherwise, You can and most likely would lose your license.
I saw a lot of Catholic nurses who refused care for D/C patients-- as ABO was not allowed in that hospital and many docs did D/c's as disguised abortions. I often got to trade off and take those patients b/c I do not believe in abortion but I did not perform the abortion and taking care of the patient afterwards certainly did not violate my conscience but it did many a Catholic nurse.
btw the title to your thread is RAG worthy.
sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".
"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?
you're fired!"..
. Religious freedom goes both ways, Christians have rights too. Most Christian shops ( and other religions who oppose gay marriage ) have a FISH on the cards or door. This lets others know it is a christain business. They should take their business elsewhere. Why on earth would a gay couple want to FORCE a flower shop or cake shop to service their wedding - unless it was to just cause a big Brouhaha . People who own a business have rights too. Nearly every café I have ever been into has had signs, " no shoes, no shirt, no service". This is YOUR board. Do you want someone telling you how to run it?
Indiana is not the first state to do this, It has been signed into law since 93 by Clinton and 25 other states have same laws.
We fight so hard for Muslims and other religions to have "rights" , what about Christians? Don't they get rights?
I want you to know I am playing the devils advocate as I have no issues with whom anyone chooses to love. But I do believe in business owners rights too.
i've been looking on this site for some time but never posted.
i'll give a little about myself, but not too much.
i'm a ex-bethelite ( brooklyn )and currently serving as an elder (10 years) (thinking about stepping down) on the service committee.
No we were not stupid. We just wanted to serve God (MT)
thank you.
i've been looking on this site for some time but never posted.
i'll give a little about myself, but not too much.
i'm a ex-bethelite ( brooklyn )and currently serving as an elder (10 years) (thinking about stepping down) on the service committee.
MT ( OP)
I guess your post "hit" me a bit different than a lot of others. I am a born in and my grandparents were jws too. Long family history during WW2 during some of the worst persecution of jws. I knew many sincere jws ( ande a lot of jerks too) who really believed the Org and it was often called "mother". I do not believe I lived under a rock. I went through 1975 as a young adult and it was finally this and the fallout at bethel and widespread apostate paranoia in the 80-90's that helped me leave ( at least physically). My family goes back to the time when Rutherford came in.
I found you to come across as a disrespectful of those before you who gave their lives for the Org and were true believers. They were not stupid. I met many like you before I left. Many of us called them "social jws". I knew and elder who converted just b/c of the social life and he thought it would be a good place to raise his kids. He did not believe most of it- he was there b/c of the social aspect.
In fact, the social jws were a large reason I started questioning the Org. So many of them got away with things that the true believers would never have done . Many should have been DF'd per the wts standards but got away with gross conduct due to being popular.
In short, you and those like you are one of the reasons I know the TATT,
but hey welcome to the board.
it appears that a new 16-page brochure, with the title "return to jehovah" is to be released at the regional convention (dc) this year.
it would be written specifically for those faded or da/df.chapters are:a letter from the governing body1.
the lost one i will search for2.
the cynic in me sees this as a bit like a rogue virus program.. It looks good, promises to help, but I believe their intent is to flush out those they can officially DF or DA and get them off the books. If you fall for it --it will cost you dearly.
Always remember with the WTS the rule of thumb is
follow the money ( or lawsuits etc)
return to jehovah... no return address .
today i read a small piece of poetic irony.
im not going to advertise from what web forum i read this, but it was so astounding i had to share it somewhere.
the cynic in me sees this as a bit like a rogue virus program.. It looks good, promises to help, but I believe their intent is to flush out those they can officially DF or DA and get them off the books. If you fall for it --it will cost you dearly.
Always remember with the WTS the rule of thumb is
follow the money ( or lawsuits etc)
