I would call myself a Simonite after the founder. No one here need to be called apostates. Barry
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16If JWD was a religion what would you call it?
by barry ini would call myself a simonite after the founder.
no one here need to be called apostates.
barry
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Memorial Season
by moomanchu ini was wondering if someone ever made up a tract or card similar to what the witnesses hand out.
for the memorial , but with the opposite agenda , maybe with some thought provoking questions or scriptures .. like : why do you celebrate the memorial christ is already present since 1914 .
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barry
I have heard in the orthodox church they have an actuall meal but Im not orthodox and cant fill you in on any details.
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Research on the validity of 1914
by Bluegrass Tom inhere are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.
they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.
to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?
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Numbers and Ezekiel do not give a principle whereby we can extract years from days in fact an explicit year day principle cant be found in scripture. Some might say doesnt Daniel 9 require the use of a year day principle/ The SDA bible commentry itself says Daniel 9 does not require it. Even though this prophecy spans 490 years the context here is the 70 years at the beginning of the chapter and later the 70 years times 7.
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Research on the validity of 1914
by Bluegrass Tom inhere are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.
they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.
to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?
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barry
Im comming from a different church viewpoint but with some similarities in interpretation.
Only the JWs and the SDAs still hold to the historisist interpretation of bible prophecy.
William Miller though he was right in taking a premillerist stance was not right in every area of his interpretations. Miller took the position that many weak arguements made one strong arguement when arriving at 1844 for our Lords return.
Both Daniel 8 -1844 and Daniel 4-1914 require the formula of 1day=1 year in order to arrive at the respective dates. In Daniel 8 and Daniel 4 the word day is not even mentioned and where day is mentioned in predictive prophecy as our Lord saying he will build his body in 3 days the word day there is not transferred to years. What about the three and a half years in Daniel and Revelation in this case the witnesses say this is the period from 1914 to 1918 where the secretary and treasurer were imprisioned. The SDAs take a different view and transferre these days into years and say it is a period from 538 to 1798.
The problems with these calculations is they deny the clear teachings of scripture that after the cross the disciples were living in the last days and the second comming could have occured at anytime since then.
Among SDAs the scolars of the church have known for decades 1844 cant be found in scripture and thats the reason they never write on it.
The WT is in the very same position the SDAs find themselves in with these interpretations. Barry
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My Phone Conversation With Watchtower on Tsunami Disaster!
by Voyager inmy telephone conversation with the watchtower society, was a sincere attempt to find out what active role the watchtower is taking to help the tsunami victims.
thursday dec. 30, 2004 / approx.
watchtower call on tsunami disaster.. 1-718-560-5000. wt-recording--thank you for calling jehovah's witnesses.. wt rep--jehovah's witnesses, may i help you?.
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barry
The fact is the WT doesnt have much in the way of infrastructure and would have to hand there money over to other organisations. So it would appear they are only going to help there own church people.
I remember a story a few years ago about a JW missionary in New Guinea who broke his arm. He had to take an SDA Church plane to get medical attention and thats OK but the thing that made news with some SDA church officials was his rudeness to the point of not even thanking the pilot or anyone else for the assistance he received at no cost to himself. My Dad is an SDA elder thats how I found out. Not a good witness for his church.
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What does the rest of the world do on Boxing day
by barry inhere in aussie there was the cricket against pakistan the sydney to hobart yacht race.
we spent the day on the coast with my parents and went to the rsl club for a nice meal.
you all wont beleive this but its snowing in the mountains not far from here.
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Gday Brenda,
I hve been wondering if you have it over there , now I know you dont.
Boxing day as you know is the day after xmas but traditionally it is the day when the rich would box up the presents they didnt need or want and give them to the poor. These days it is a day just an excuse to have another day off and for sport. Barry
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What does the rest of the world do on Boxing day
by barry inhere in aussie there was the cricket against pakistan the sydney to hobart yacht race.
we spent the day on the coast with my parents and went to the rsl club for a nice meal.
you all wont beleive this but its snowing in the mountains not far from here.
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Gday franklin j,
Do you actually have a boxing day in the States or what do you call the holiday after xmas when I wrote this I wasnt sure what you have over there and what do you call it . I know the poms have boxing day.
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What does the rest of the world do on Boxing day
by barry inhere in aussie there was the cricket against pakistan the sydney to hobart yacht race.
we spent the day on the coast with my parents and went to the rsl club for a nice meal.
you all wont beleive this but its snowing in the mountains not far from here.
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barry
Here in Aussie there was the cricket against Pakistan the Sydney to Hobart yacht race. WE spent the day on the coast with my parents and went to the RSL club for a nice meal.
You all wont beleive this but its snowing in the mountains not far from here. Right in the middle of summer. Barry
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Follow the Star All the Way to Bethlehem
by Schizm inthe report below serves as an excellent example of the shallow understanding that people in general have regarding the so-called "star of bethlehem".
notice that the "star" is held in awe ... some sort of an object that satan himself caused to glow in the dark in order to cause the premature death of jesus.
satan's worst nightmare is jesus, was back then, and still is.
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barry
Bad things happen at birthdays too dont they, you see the logic is the same.
My bible says the visitors from the east were warned by God in a dream not to go back to Herod. Matthew 2.12 Does that mean that the wise men had a relationship with God. I dont know. I know the WT also has different view about the wise men.
My bible still says nothing about who put the star there. Barry
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Follow the Star All the Way to Bethlehem
by Schizm inthe report below serves as an excellent example of the shallow understanding that people in general have regarding the so-called "star of bethlehem".
notice that the "star" is held in awe ... some sort of an object that satan himself caused to glow in the dark in order to cause the premature death of jesus.
satan's worst nightmare is jesus, was back then, and still is.
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barry
Where does it say in scripture the star was put there by Satan?