don't know if this has been done before, but i just got the notion that it would be fun to see if anyone else here is a pilot or private airplane owner?
I used to have a licience to fly aerocraft and have flown cessna 172, austers [that are started by hand] piper cherokees.
I started flying with gliders and I still own a glider its a cherokee 2
Now i fly model planes and just this morning Ive been flying my one third pitts special with a 50cc motor. Barry
hi everyone, i have often wondered why so many religions view jesus as being god.
every website i look up claiming to be the christian faith strongly believe that this is the case.. i mean the actual trinity doctrine didnt come about untill about the 3rd or 4th century and was originally the catholic church that brought it about.
although jehovahs witnesses seem to push jesus into the background a lot which is something that has always troubled me.
From the middle of the 2nd century there is a baptisimal creed as follows
I beleive in the Father Lord of all
and in jesus Christ our Saviour
and in the Holy Spirit the paraclete
and in the holy church
and in the forgiveness of sins
Doesnt this look like the nicean creed? in fact it is one of many creeds throughout christindom in the early centuries all haveing the same pattern. The creed of Caesarea which predated the nicean creed and was a basis for it in the forth century. Barry
hi everyone, i have often wondered why so many religions view jesus as being god.
every website i look up claiming to be the christian faith strongly believe that this is the case.. i mean the actual trinity doctrine didnt come about untill about the 3rd or 4th century and was originally the catholic church that brought it about.
although jehovahs witnesses seem to push jesus into the background a lot which is something that has always troubled me.
Evergrain you said 'the doctrine of the trinity wasnt formulated until the forth century' well the doctrine of salvation wasnt developed until the 16th century at the time of the protestant reformation and the doctrine of 1914 wasnt developed until the 20th century.
Vincent of lerins said way back in the fifth century and he could see even then ' Christian doctrine is developed ' just as a child grows into a man . The modern champion of the developement of doctrine is John Henry Newman who wrote a paper on the developement of christian doctrine. By the developement of doctrine we are not talking of changing doctrine changing the bible or trying to bring into the christian church paganism . We are trying to look into scripture and draw out beleifs we hadent seen before , draw out the implications of other doctrine eg if our suyystem of beleif contradicts other beleifs the the whole system comes crashing down. John Henry Newman cites 7 tests to determine if a doctrine is a true developement .
this little gem is from the watchtower, january 15, 2000...."in el salvador,one man tied his vicious dog in front of the door whenever he saw jehovah's witnesses nearby.
the man would wait for the witnesses to move on, and then he would bring the dog back into the house.
the brothers were never able to speak to the man.
St Franciss of Assisie preached to birds and they are not as smart as dogs. The Franciscan order still exists today and was started about the 12th century. Barry
yep, new year's day's a scorcher in sydney, nsw.
in the city (by the coast) it's hit 45 degrees !!!
out near bethel it's a few degrees hotter.
its hot here in canberra too but im not goin outside. Im home with the aircon on
did i get your attention?
good!
some friends and i are planning a bit of a world tour.
Australia has a good packpacker industry there is lots of work on farms. When you get here just go to the packpacker areas and it wont be to hard to get all the einformation you need. i think you may need a work visa
can anyone direct me to a good website or thread on here that talks about any spin-off groups after they officially accepted the trinity doctrine, in the early 1980's i think, in order to join the world council of churches.
was there any fragmentation in the 7th day adventists when this happened?
any help would be appreciated.
Gday Yadayyadda, Let me say that the official teaching of the SDAs is the trinity doctrine and that is what they would teach you before baptism and you would be expected to beleive it before you were baptised. If you happened to change youre mind in the course of youre studies and you may also happen to read some early Adventist writers dissagreements with the trinity.My Dad knows an SDA elder that is Arian and beleives the same as the JWs . The old hymn Holy Holy Holy early Adventist Hymn books ended with''Lord god almighty reigns eternally' and in newer hynmn books ends with 'God in three persons holy trinity' in the same ending other trinitarian churches use.
The trinity doctrine in the SDAs is not a hot topic and wouldnt create much of a stir if you were to oppose it. The righteousness by faith debate is what will raise the hackles in Adventist circles and will sometimes cause out and out arguements. Large sections of the SDAs have a Catholic theology while the other side embraces the doctrine of righteousness by faith held by the reformers. Barry
can anyone direct me to a good website or thread on here that talks about any spin-off groups after they officially accepted the trinity doctrine, in the early 1980's i think, in order to join the world council of churches.
was there any fragmentation in the 7th day adventists when this happened?
any help would be appreciated.
Im An SDA and to my knowledge no groups ha e split from the SDAs because of the change to the trinity doctrine. There are groups and individuals in the SDAs that dont beleive the trinity doctrine even today. As far as I know the SDA church is not affiliated with the world council of churches but they do have their representatives attending world council of church meetings. Barry
i just had to share this artical with you all , hope you dont think i am preaching but read this www.spectrummagazine.org/onlinecommunity/featuredcolumns/051006peabody.html
Gday James,I know what youre saying but just maybe Susan isnt one of those nutty fundamentalists. Barry
i just had to share this artical with you all , hope you dont think i am preaching but read this www.spectrummagazine.org/onlinecommunity/featuredcolumns/051006peabody.html
i just had to share this artical with you all , hope you dont think I am preaching but read this www.spectrummagazine.org/onlinecommunity/featuredcolumns/051006peabody.html
