HS I guess we wont know what the Iranians will used until it happens but anyone backed into a corner are likely to use nukes if they have them. If th ehutus had them Im sure they would use them.
Posts by barry
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60Iranian leader's opening rant...sounded like a JW
by restrangled init was a total sermon about their (islam) version of god and how he feels about the entire scientific and academia communities.
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your take on the whole thing?.
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Iranian leader's opening rant...sounded like a JW
by restrangled init was a total sermon about their (islam) version of god and how he feels about the entire scientific and academia communities.
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your take on the whole thing?.
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Gday Uzzah, As I pointed out Bin Laden says hostilities will only cease at the day of judgement so under the geneva convention the prisoners in Cuba should be kept off the battlefield until the day of judgement.
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Iranian leader's opening rant...sounded like a JW
by restrangled init was a total sermon about their (islam) version of god and how he feels about the entire scientific and academia communities.
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your take on the whole thing?.
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Steve may I remind you that terrorists dont come under the geneva convention anyway. The geneva convention is for th etreatement of prisoners of war of countries at war.The soldiers taken as prisoners are treated humainly and returned to their contry when hostilities cease. Terrorists do not fight for a country and so there is no time when hostilities cease. Bin laden is reported to have said hostilities will cease at the time of the day of judgement.
The US does have a big interest in the middle east and so it should. The middle east is where most of its oil is scourced. If you think oil isnt important consider this. While the US consumes one third of the worlds oil the US also produces one third of the worlds food. Without this food production many of the contries of the middle east would starve
Steve the Iranian government has said consistently they will wipe out Israel with Atomic weopons. Where do you read youre news stories? Direct from Tehran.
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Iranian leader's opening rant...sounded like a JW
by restrangled init was a total sermon about their (islam) version of god and how he feels about the entire scientific and academia communities.
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your take on the whole thing?.
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I dont have a problem with the US prison in Cuba. Terrorism is the worst crime imaginable and I dont have a problem with tortureing terrorists either if it gets the correct results and saves lives.
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Iranian leader's opening rant...sounded like a JW
by restrangled init was a total sermon about their (islam) version of god and how he feels about the entire scientific and academia communities.
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your take on the whole thing?.
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I agree with you iron rod this Iranian is basicly a savage but Im not even sure if that is teh right word to use. When captain cook went on his journey of discovery he reffered to th enoble savage he had respect for the people he discovered even though they were primitave.
To compare him to president Bush and to claim Americans are fed properganda just as Iranians are is a lie. Steve why dont you take a trip to Iran and stay there. I dont think you will.
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Do Muslems and Christains have the same God?
by Undecided inthe koran and the bible says to do the same acts of violence to anyone who worships a different god.. deuteronomy 13:6-8, it reads: "if thy brother, the son of thy mother.
or thy son, or thy daughter, or thy wife of thy bosom.
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; (7) namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth (8) thou shalt not consent unto him, nor harken unto him; neither shalt thou conceal him (9) but thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
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Merry,
You have changed my opinions in some ways even though we may not agree on every detail. "Youre summary of an islamic state has in it some excellent ideals. The part about not taxing companies remindes me of Liectenstine where they invited profitable companies in, the companies didnt pay taxes and as a result the people there benefited by haveing the highest income in europe.
Just about suicide bombers I saw a documentry about this and during the Iran Irak war a young Iranian soldier bravely placed a bomb with a short fuse under a tank of the superiour attacking Irakie army. Because he was blown to bits some people saw it as a suicide mission but many saw it as doing a necessary job and the thought of suicide was never entertained.
I hope to visit youre ideal state and if I dont maybe my kids will.
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Do Muslems and Christains have the same God?
by Undecided inthe koran and the bible says to do the same acts of violence to anyone who worships a different god.. deuteronomy 13:6-8, it reads: "if thy brother, the son of thy mother.
or thy son, or thy daughter, or thy wife of thy bosom.
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; (7) namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth (8) thou shalt not consent unto him, nor harken unto him; neither shalt thou conceal him (9) but thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
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Merry, In our society the government doesnt discriminate as to what religion a person chooses but from the verses quoted by you Islam would be the state religion. This position is against the right of individuals to choose there own religion, and and against the principle christians have to preach the gospel to the world. A government based religion allways results in discrimination and persecution. As people here have said before where are the churches in Saudi Arabia. Even the symble of the cross is outlawed there.
Admittedly these passages are toned down from the more extremist ones but maybe the Quaran can be over time interpreted in a more reasoned way.
Merry I would just feel safer if you want a non christian religion why not choose Budism they are the most peacefull of religions here is Australia we have more Budists than muslims but we hardely know they are there.
Barry
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I was on JWD at the time in chat and was advised to turn on the TV, I was in shock and shaking for hours after.
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Do Muslems and Christains have the same God?
by Undecided inthe koran and the bible says to do the same acts of violence to anyone who worships a different god.. deuteronomy 13:6-8, it reads: "if thy brother, the son of thy mother.
or thy son, or thy daughter, or thy wife of thy bosom.
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; (7) namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth (8) thou shalt not consent unto him, nor harken unto him; neither shalt thou conceal him (9) but thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
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Merry you said From what I saw that was quoted included the responce of the fierceness of battle during war.
- I would agree with you Koran 47.4 applies to this.
- In the koran verse 5,33-34 The context is the punishment of prisoners of war and is stated they must be crucified or have their hands and feet chopped of on opposite sides, This is obviously reffering to prisoners of war after they are captured, and is not only a war crime but equals the savagery of the worst of the worst.
- Whatever happened at abu grab prison was dealt with through the rule of law and any claimes should be considered with the evidence presented for and against in a court of law not through islamic web sites. The people were tried in court if I remember correctly.
- What court of law would convict muslims who carry out the words of the koran 5,33-34?
- I see the muslim world as the agressor and us unbeleivers can be set apon simply because we dont share the same faith.
- Doesnt the koran claim the trinity is made up of the father son and mary. If the koran is so accurate why would it say that? You might be able to help here Merry. The trinity has allways been father son and holy spirit from the earliest times.
- does anyone know how to cancell this numbering thing?
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Do Muslems and Christains have the same God?
by Undecided inthe koran and the bible says to do the same acts of violence to anyone who worships a different god.. deuteronomy 13:6-8, it reads: "if thy brother, the son of thy mother.
or thy son, or thy daughter, or thy wife of thy bosom.
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; (7) namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth (8) thou shalt not consent unto him, nor harken unto him; neither shalt thou conceal him (9) but thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
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I would agree the koran is more in keeping with the old mosaic law of the old testament.
As for christians we are not under the old way of a written law but under the new way of the spirit.
Again the verses show Islam to be a viscous and unforgiving religion. Anyone who would crucify and mutilate prisoners of war would be tried as a war criminal in todays courts.
And yes Merry this conduct is far worse than civilised countries operate on the whole and any normal person would and should be horrified. Even in abio grabe prison the American soilders only humiliated there prisoners by putting womens panties on there head and haveing women soilders lead them around. Isnt that terrible crime. They think of women as worth nothing, that was there real problem. Some men in the west would love a pair of womens nickers to do weird things to.Or to be led around like a dog and they even pay good money for the privilage.
What right has the muslim world to judge us anyway i dont have any reguard for there laws or opinions.
Anyway you are a good sport Merry allways comming back here.