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  Why is the Watchtower petrified by Higher Criticism?

  by Doug Mason in

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  what is it about higher criticism that petrifies the watchtower?

  what are they trying to hide?.

  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/higher%20criticism.

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  barry

  Gday doug,

  I have seen your posts on here for some time now. Your name rings a bell and I dont know if i am right but are you an Adventist or former Adventist with Good News Unlimited? I am also a former Adventist. Barry
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  barry

  This must be one of the highlights of JWN. Barry
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  Cult V Cult

  by fadinfast in

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  the"investigativejudgment"-abible-baseddoctrine?

  wt 97 7/15 p26.

  october 22, 1844, was a day of great anticipation for some 50,000 people on the east coast of the united states.

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  barry

  Hebrews chapter 9 has our Lord entering the most holy place at the ascention. Look at the context in hebrews 9 everthing there is in refference to the day of atonement. 1844 or a two phase ministry of our Lord is not included here. Barry
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  Heaven , I love prawns shelfish and crabs and have never been a vegetarian. Barry
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  Gday Designs, There are differences in SDA policy from one congeration to another so you could be right but I can say there is no official poIicy on shunning. Barry
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  gday designs, The SDAs don't shun, beleive me. I have never seen it happen. Barry
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  Gday Zidinna and Steve,

  I was a bit confused about the reference to sinning when the good professors main thrust of his talk was apostasy.

  Willful sins such as breaking the commandments are delt with by talking to the pastor or in very bad cases a person may be disfellowshiped until they are repentant. Of course we all sin everyday.

  Apostasy is different it only amounts to a difference of opinion. My opinions may be closer to the evangelical end of the spectrum and I would be regarded as apostate to someone from the traditional sector and visa versa. A pastor in the church has to be more carefull as he is paid by the church he may be fired if he was to upset people with his personal opinions. It has been said a pastor can beleive anything and as long as he doesn't upset people but if he was to question 1844 and the investigative judgement [an Adventist fundamental teaching] he would be fired.

  An ordinary parishioner such as myself can take issue with something you may dissagree on at church or in a bible study without any consequence I have done it many times. We go to the Anglican churrch now and I just hope they are the same.

  Of course shunning doesn't exist in the SDAs.

  Barry
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  G'day Steve,

  You are right about the historic Adventists and their reliance on the teachings of Ellen White but I would like to propose tha there are in fact four main groups within the church not including the sub- groups.

  The Historic Adventists beleive much of what the church taught from its beginning in the 1860s to the the 1950s. This group teaches that Christ had a sinful human nature and a very perfectionistic interpretation of the investigative judgement from 1844. In this group santification in the life of the beleiver is heavily stressed. Some Sub-groups beleive in the Arian herecy and many of these groups and sub -groups can be found in independent ministries and the internet.

  The book "Questions on doctrine" was published in 1957. The book was printed as an answer to questions raised by the evangelicals Barnhouse and Martin and their studies of Adventism v the theologians of the Adventist Church and their understanding at that time. Many of the so called pillars of Adventism were watered down or changed 180% as seen by the Historic Adventists. The doctrine of the Trinity was more formally established and the doctrine of the sinful nature of christ was dropped. Other sectarian doctrines such as calling the other churches Babylon and the doctrine of the Remnant Church was also changed. There was also more openess to the protestant Gospel of "Righteousness by Faith".

  These events became the catalyst in forming two groups within the church with those to some degree holding to remnants of reformed and developed Historic Adventists and those rejecting altogether and becoming evengelical christians. The evangelicals are supported by " Good News Unlimited", Spectrum Magazine and "Atoday'.

  The fourth group are "the liberals"although they are a small group are separate from the others because of their teachings. They may hold to evolution and not beleive in the virgin birth. Some of the clergy belong to this group but run into problems in their ministries.

  So there is quite a spectrum of beleifs within the church my grandmother wouldn' t attend the church for ten years because she beleived it was all to confusing for her. She told me in the old days the church would confront apostacy from the pulpit but now she said to me "You don't know what the person sitting next to you beleives.

  Barry
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  Easter Egg`s

  by is there help out there in

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  did any one place easter egg`s around kh..

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  barry

  after easter they are 90% off the original price so it wouldn't cost much
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPbkm_Q8RaA This video is a different perspective Adventists have of Apostates than the Watchtower.

  Barry