Christians are hard on themselves and easy on other people so christians should be critical firstly of their own church. This keeps the religion in check before it develops a life of its own. As in the time of jesus the saviour was crusified so the organisation would survive.
Posts by barry
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30is religon-bashing ok, and if yes, when?
by googlemagoogle intoday i read "doubtfully your's" comment on wiccans and i was shocked.
i wanted to reply immediately about tolerance and to respect another religion.
then i thought about him having a sister, smoking pot and presenting herself as pagan giving him some bad impression (prejudice?
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
Gday again Jaffa,
The best way to help youre friend is to offer youre friend the gospel.
The gospel is not advice. Not Here,s how to raise yourself to heaven by pulling on youre bootstraps.
It is good news. News is about something that has happened, it is about someone else. The good news of the gospel is that God the Son took our nature to pay the dept we owe to righteousness, to remove the barrier between earth and heaven.
The good news is that all that is necessary for salvation has already been accomplished and it only remains for us to accept it . This is the meaning from calvary . 'It is finished'. Christ was treated as we deserve that we might be treated as he deserves.
I know Jaffa you have a good understanding of the gospel and let that guide you reguardless of denominational affiliation.
God Bless
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
The link is working now spelling is not my best subject
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
I just cant get the site to come up from that link does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
Gday Blondie,
I would like to recommend Spectrum magazine as an up to date view of Adventism. Spectrum is approved by the General Conference of SDAs and has articals on a wide range of subjects and range of idears in the Church. On this site will be progressive idears on Homosexuallity, women as pastors, evolution v creation debate called the faith creation conference that the church has held over the last few years.
The site is http://www.spectrummagazine.org/church/ss/041206ford.html Here is Dr Des Ford commenting on the lesson which is like the WT study. Dr Des Ford is mentioned in Ray Franz book Crisis of Concience. Proof that we still love even our apostates.
You could look up 'Good News Unlimited' or Dr Desmond Ford,s site.
Doug Batchelor is a prominent SDA but I couldnt support his theology.
These can be all be looked up on the net butr Im not haveing much with links right now.
Ok its working now
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
Jaffacake,
Des Ford is still an member of the church as was Robert Brinsmead up until he joined the Lutherins. The fact is we even love our apostates.
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Jws or adventists?
by melmac in.
expanding on the topic about jws x mormons.... which one would you choose?
adventists or jws?
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barry
Their are different versions of SDAism all in the same church.
Conservative Adventism. Has a catholic theology and has cultic doctrines
Evangelical Adventism. Beleive the Protestant doctrine of ' righteousness by faith' some still have some watered down cultic beleifs others reject the cultic beleifs altogether.
Liberal Adventists. Christians from all churches have there liberals they are just liberal.
The real differences between the JWs and the SDAs is that different beleifs and groups in the JWs just wouldnt be tollerated. The control the JWs have of there members is unthinkable in the SDAs or other churches.
The SDAs are really quite progressive they have women pastors, have developed their understanding of homosexuals and in a church not far from here we have a member who had a sex change to a women.
SDAs dont disfellowship or mark or shun. Disfellowshipping was voted out at the general conference in 2000.
Ok SDAs do have there nuts more than most one minister once said an SDA couldnt be a policeman but I still dont know why. Some dont beleive they should go to the doctor but when they get sick they allways do.
Im an SDA and I would consider myself in the evangelical group without cultic doctrine.I do have my dissagreements with the church and voice my opinions very clearly at church meetings with no risk of punishment a JW might suffer. I ususally begin by making clear that what I am saying is against church policyand then giving my opinion. In fact a few years ago we had a JW study family join our church they went around all the churches and found they had the most freedom in discussion in the SDAs than any other church.
I dont beleive the SDAs are any better than most mainline churches and if I wasnt an SDA would have no problem in the Anglican or some other church.
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Can it be proven that the WTS is NOT God's personal organization?
by M.J. inimagine trying to prove to someone that firmly believes in leprechauns that they simply don't exist.
where do you start?
an excellent saying i have heard is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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barry
The FDS is taken from a story jesus told. The story about the rich man and lazaras is also a story jesus told. The former is taken by the WT to mean something more than just a story but the later is taken by the WT to be a story only.
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New Light on Higher Education
by seeitallclearlynow inmy son made a point to tell me that they had what was to him a very interesting, different talk on the service meeting this week.
the presiding overseer gave a talk on the society's changed view of getting a college education.. he used the scripture which admonishes the reader to "acquire a heart of wisdom" and applied it to getting a 4 year college education for the sake of being able to support oneself at double the rate of pay with one's degree upon graduation.
this of course is only for the purpose of being able to then pioneer, only having to work a few days a week, thereby having the time for the field ministry.. such an annoying change - finally!
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barry
The SDAs promote education for their members and in fact in the US SDAs have twice the % of college degrees as the general population.
This of course causes problems in the church with people beleiving in science such as the theory of evolution while the church beleives in seven days six thousand years. One delegate in the recent faith science conference held by the church is recorded as saying 'We will give them seven days and six thousand years and they will have to fight for every second extra'. Another delegate has said ' While god has been a physist for 15 billion years he has only been a theologin for 6 thousand years.
The moral of the story is the WT society is saving itself a lot of grief by not promoting higher education.
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Question about weddings (warning kinda fluff)
by IP_SEC inmy question is: is there any traditional order of who says their vows first?
groom or bride?
dont matter?.
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barry
The women is has to say she will Obey the husband. Im upset they left that bit out at my wedding and now I have all the trouble in the world.