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  So how do the "remnant" die?

  by bob1999 in

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  according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .

  this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .

  peace.

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  bob1999

  I'm sorry. I meant according to the WTS how do the remnant die?

  Peace
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  So how do the "remnant" die?

  by bob1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .

  this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .

  peace.

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  bob1999

  According to the "new" light of the WTS some of the "remant" will still be alive when Armageddon breaks out.

  On page 352 of the book "You may survive armegeddon onto God's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".

  This sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.

  Peace
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  Are humans programmed to belive in god?

  by highdose in

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  this is somthing the gb likes to assert.

  but they ignore the many atheists in the world as they do so.

  i have been coming more and more to terms with the fact that i don't blieve there is a god out there, gradually i am accepting this..

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  "Every atheist I know reveals his/her spiritual (for lack of a better word) nature from time to time. We've just had a hard time discovering the source so far."

  While listening to a debate between a believer and an atheist, the atheist was startled by something and said "Oh my God".

  So, there you go.

  Peace
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  Those who can't be resurrected...

  by Tuesday in

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  hey folks a little help.

  i seem to remember when i was younger reading an article talking about people who probably wouldn't be resurrected, those who turned their back on jehovah being the primary example.

  i can't find the article to cite though, does anyone here know which article mentioned this?.

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  bob1999

  I found this on the net. You need a program to keep up!

  Sodom and Gomorrah

  Resurrected

  "Thus our Lord teaches that the Sodomites did not have a full opportunity; and he guarantees them such opportunity." Studies in the Scriptures, Series I p.110 (see also w.1879 July p.8)

  Not Resurrected

  Changed in the Watchtower 1952 June 1st as quoted above. See also

  "He was pin-pointing the utter impossibility of ransom for unbelievers or those willfully wicked, because Sodom and Gomorrah were irrevocably condemned and destroyed, beyond any possible recovery." Watchtower 1954 February 1 p.85

  Resurrected Again

  "As in the case of Tyre and Sidon, Jesus showed that Sodom, bad as it was, had not got to the state of being unable to repent ... So the spiritual recovery of the dead people of Sodom is not hopeless" Watchtower 1965 March 1 p.139
  
  "It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgment Day than for that city." Sodom and Gomorrah were everlastingly destroyed as cities, but this would not preclude a resurrection for people of those cities." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.985

  Not Resurrected

  "Consequently, in addition to what Jude 7 says, the Bible uses Sodom/Gomorrah and the Flood as patterns for the destructive end of the present wicked system. It is apparent, then, that those whom God executed in those past judgments experienced irreversible destruction." Watchtower 1988 June 1 p.31 Questions From Readers
  
  "Some adjustments will be made in future printings of the Live Forever book. The only significant change is with regard to the Sodomites, on pages 178 and 179. This change appeared in the Revelation book, page 273, and in The Watchtower of June 1, 1988, pages 30 and 31. You may wish to note it in earlier printings that you have on hand." Kingdom Ministry 1989 December (US Edition) p.7
  
  "A definite indication is found at Jude 7, where we read that "Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them . . . are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Yes, the destruction of the gross sinners in those cities was eternal, as will be the destruction of the wicked at the end of the present system of things." Watchtower 1990 April 15 p.20

  Everyone

  Resurrected

  "All are to be awakened from the Adamic death, as though from a sleep, by virtue of the ransom given..." Studies in the Scriptures Series V p.478 - Russell
  
  "Under this new covenant the whole human race shall have the opportunity to come back to God through Christ the mediator" The Harp of God p.328 (or p.334 according to edition) - Rutherford

  Not Resurrected

  "It has been held by many that the Scriptures guarantee that 'all must come back from the dead' at Christ's return and during his thousand-year rule. (Studies in the Scriptures, Series Five, pages 476-486). That conclusion does not appear to have support in reason or in the Scriptures" Salvation p.224 - Rutherford
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  No where in the bible does it say that people will be raised from the dead...

  by ex-perfectdaughter in

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  And in Revelation 22 it says that the throne of God and Christ (note, one throne) will be in the new city and They shall reign for ever and ever.

  Now if the throne of God and Christ is in the new city and the new city is on the new earth and God and Christ will reign from that thorne for ever and ever, sounds to me like the new earth IS heaven.

  Peace
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  Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

  "once saved always saved".

  http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

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  bob1999

  "Because Abraham and the beggar of Luke 16 are seen in Paradise before Jesus' sacrifice. "

  The sacrifice of Christ is so powerful that it saved people before it even happened.

  Why do you bind God to time?

  God is not bound by His own creation.
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  Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

  "once saved always saved".

  http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

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  bob1999

  James 2:24
  Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

  The man with true faith. live faith, will have works.

  The Man with false faith, dead faith, does not have works.

  If you read the whole chapter I think you will see that James is trying to point that out.

  " 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."

  So, faith without works is no faith at all. The works don't save you. The works just show that you do have saving faith. Not just dead faith.
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  Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

  "once saved always saved".

  http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

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  bob1999

  "Do you have a thought you'd like to contribute?"

  I think the verses say it all.

  My salvation does not depend on me. If were up to me to chose God, I wouldn't.

  Since the fall, man can only run from, not toward God.

  Man's heart has to be changed for man to want God.

  My heart was changed but it was not my doing, but God's.

  "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy."
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  Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

  "once saved always saved".

  http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

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  17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth.

  18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.

  19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?

  20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?

  21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
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  Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

  "once saved always saved".

  http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

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  15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

  16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy.