"Has Christ suffered for nothing?"
No, not at all. Christ died for his sheep. Christ did not suffer and die for those that would never chose him. He died for the ones he knew would.
Peace
bob1999
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"Romans 9:15 means God is he who shows mercy to whomever he wills (God is judge). "
Romans 8:29,30 I think Romans 9:15 means it is God's choice to show mercy on the ones he foreknew, predestined, called, justified and will glorify.
And that his choice had nothing, at all, to do with mans will or works. Romans 9:10 "...and had done nothing either good or bad...."
Salvation is not, as you say, something man does or something man chooses.
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"Yes it is something man does. God is savior, but only they who listen (doing) and coming (doing) are saved."
But who are the ones who will listen, who are the ones who will come?
"Being saved is something man chooses"
Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
Is Paul lying?
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
You say "Why look to it?"
And then you want me to look at John 3:14 and Numbers 21:7-9
You ask why I look at it and then you tell me to look at it?
"Sure: faith. THAT is all that is required. And belief... is not faith"
I use those words interchangeably. Maybe I shouldn't.
I have faith in God and Christ.
BTW That faith was given to me by God.
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"In other words recognizing that salvation belongs to God and then obeying God for slavation. "
And who can do that? I mean obeying God?
Can natural (fallen, unregenerate) man do that?
Does man have to obey God completely to gain salvation?
Or does one sin (act of disobedience) mean you're not saved?
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"So "believing on the Lord Jesus" means adopting in one's own heart"
So being saved is something that man does?
Man choses to adopt in his own heart?
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
I already said that I fully understand that the bible can't forgive me.
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"required"?
Can I get a list?
Peace
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"May the one day "get" that the Bible... can't forgive them."
I fully understand that the bible can't forgive me.
No one can at this point because I have already been forgiven.
Peace Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
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1 John 4:2
by N.drew in(the previous verse warns there will be false prophets).
by this you will know that the spirit is of god because the whole spirit is in agreement with jesus christ that among flesh (mankind) has come out of god is.. i think it means not was but what is.
it means we can believe christ is among us to do the will of god through us.
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bob1999
"So then, to be saved one just has to confess the Savior came in the flesh."
Acts 16:30 All we have to do is believe.
John 3:16 All we have to do is believe.
But man can't believe.
Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
So who is the "whoever" in John 3:16?
Jesus said that no one comes to him but the Father calls first.
Who can confess, without lying, the Savior came in the flesh?
Natural man cannot please God. Man's heart has to be changed by the Spirit first.
Read Romans 8:28 all the way to the end of Romans 9
If a man believes it is only because God has chosen him.
I believe that all men who seek God are chosen by God and therefore saved.
I believe this because that is what the bible teaches and I believe the bible is the written word of God.
Peace