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  So I saw an old JW friend last night at ........the bar???

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  so i got home from a long day of work yesterday, and decided i was gonna go to the bar and chill out for a little while.

  so i'm sitting around talking to some other people i knew, when all of a sudden i see an ex-jw friend walk in.

  now he was never great association, but my parents just told me how he was doing so well spiritually in our monthly "why don't you come back to the hall" conversation.

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  Never agian after 60 yr the holocaust

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  when they were young, they fought the nazis, and then bore witness to the extreme depravity of which human beings are capable.

  now in or nearing their 80s and 90s, the allied soldiers who liberated the concentration camps of .

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  Here we go again this was my first post and this subject is hard to forget and we should not my wife family all were wiped out my father in low had 6 sister and 3 bro and parents gone no one know where same is for her mother 30 yr later the discover one cousin who had same all family was murder

  Seeitallclerlynow you ask

  That's really a shame, too; why was he not allowed to speak of it in the former Soviet Union?

  So this is happing again in Russia

  Russian lawmakers: Ban Jewish groups

  A group of Russian nationalist lawmakers is calling for an investigation aimed at outlawing all Jewish organizations in Russia, accusing Jews of inciting ethnic hatred and provoking anti-Semitism.
  In a letter dated January 13, some 20 members of the State Duma ? the lower parliament house - asked Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov to investigate their claims and, if they are confirmed, to launch proceedings "on the prohibition in our country of all religious and ethnic Jewish organizations as extremist."
  Arguing that Jews were to blame for anti-Semitism, the authors of the letter want Jewish groups outlawed based on legislation against extremism and fomenting ethnic discord.
  "The negative assessments by Russian patriots of the qualities and actions against non-Jews that are typical of Jews correspond to the truth, indeed these actions are not random but prescribed in Judaism and have been practiced for two centuries," said the letter, faxed in part to The Associated Press by the office of lawmaker Alexander Krutov.
  "Thus," it says, "the statements and publications against Jews that have incriminated patriots are self-defense, which is not always stylistically correct but is justified in essence".
  The stunning call to ban all Jewish groups comes amid concerns of persistent anti-Semitism that continues to plague Russia. Jewish leaders have praised President Vladimir Putin's government for encouraging religious tolerance, but rights groups accuse the authorities of failing to adequately prosecute the perpetrators of anti-Semitic and racial violence.
  Russia's chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, said the lawmakers were either insane or "quite sane but limitlessly cynical" and were hoping to win support "by playing the anti-Semitic card."
  Speaking with Israel Radio Tuesday morning, Lazar called on Russia's chief prosecutor to move to expel the legislators from the parliament since, he said, they were acting against all religions and were harming Russia.
  "Everyone who read this letter surely understood that something irregular had taken place. It is a known fact that there are those in parliament who posses these views. However, it has been a while since an anti-Jewish theme has been raised, and suddenly everyone is talking about it", Lazar told the radio.
  According to the rabbi, "The timing was not coincidental and was made on the same day in which the UN commemorated 60 years since the liberation of Nazi death camps. President Putin is slated to visit Auschwitz in the near future and they probably wanted to express their objection to the upcoming visit by sending this letter."
  With Putin planning to join events this week commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet troops, Russia's Holocaust Foundation head Alla Gerber said it was "horrible that as we're marking the 60th anniversary of this tragic and great day ... we can speak of the danger of fascism in the countries that defeated fascism."
  She said that while the Russian state itself is no longer anti-Semitic, there are "anti-Semitic campaigns that are led by all sorts of organizations."
  "The economic situation is ripe for this, an enemy is needed, and the enemy is well-known, traditional," Gerber said.
  Responding to the lawmakers' letter, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said on Israel Radio that the Israeli government "will act on every level to combat this. We do not let any group or country live peacefully with phenomena like these."
  "There is a large international call to arms against anti-Semitic incidents anywhere in the world. To my great sorrow, these incidents have been happening a lot lately, but we have to fight anti-Semitism anywhere it is."
  Sallai Meridor, chairman of the Jewish Agency, views the Russian government's desire to limit Jewish organizations' activities in a grave light.
  "Human experience in the 20th century, and specifically that of the Jewish people, requires us not to be indifferent, and to react vehemently to anti-Semitic slander, even when it comes from peripheral groups."
  Echoing anti-Semitic tracts of the Czarist era, the letter's authors accuse Jews of working against the interests of the countries where they live and of monopolizing power worldwide. They say the United States "has become an instrument for achieving the global aims of Judaism."
  "It is possible to say that the entire democratic world today is under the monetary and political control of international Judaism, which high-profile bankers are openly proud of," the letter says.
  Along with outlawing Jewish organizations, the lawmakers call for the prosecution of "individuals responsible for providing these groups with state and municipal property, privileges and state financing."
  The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

  Sorry long but good to know
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  Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel joined world leaders on Monday in asking whether the United Nations is ready to prevent a future genocide, as the UN General Assembly convened a first-of-its-kind session to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps.

  "We know that for the dead it is too late," Wiesel said of the Holocaust's victims. "But it is not too late for today's children, ours and yours. It is for their sake alone that we bear witness."

  "The Jewish witness that I am speaks of my people's suffering as a warning," Wiesel said. "He sounds the alarm to prevent these tragedies from being done to others. And yes, I am convinced if the world had listened to those of us who tried to speak we may have prevented Darfur, Cambodia, Bosnia and naturally Rwanda."

  For several hours, representatives of the UN's member states ? including many Arab countries ? sat and listened as speaker after speaker ascended the podium to talk about the horrors of the camps, the Allied victory over Nazi fascism and the need to never again let genocidal campaigns go unanswered.

  The special session was scheduled earlier this month after a majority of the world body's 191 members voiced their support for a first-ever commemoration of the Holocaust, in the form of a session marking the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

  The session was part of a week or so filled with Holocaust commemorations, including the official opening of an exhibit on Auschwitz situated just inside the entrance to the UN building and co-sponsored by Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. The UN was founded in the wake of World War II, partly to ensure that no such horror could ever again take place.

  Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said the lessons of the Holocaust are crucial today because Jews and other minorities are again being subjected to some of the same xenophobic sentiments that gave rise to Nazism.

  "It is not too late to recommit ourselves to the purposes for which the United Nations was founded," Shalom said. "The brutal extermination of a people began not with guns or tanks, but with words systematically portraying the Jews and others as not legitimate, less than human."

  Shalom switched from English to Hebrew at the end of his speech to swear, in the name of the victims, the survivors and the Jewish people, that a Holocaust of the Jews would never again be allowed to take place.

  Other speakers at the special session included German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and representatives of Poland, the European Union and Russia.

  Monday's special session also served another purpose: to give nations an opportunity to justify everything from Russia's crackdowns on local skinheads to US interventionism in the Middle East ? all in the name of the victims of the Holocaust.
  "War is not something Americans seek," said US Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who is Jewish. "Peaceful nations cannot close their eyes and stand idly by in the face of evil."
  Paraphrasing Wiesel's remarks from earlier in the day, Wolfowitz said, "Neutrality is a sin."

  Several speakers brought up the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, the campaign of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, and the ongoing violence in the Darfur region of Sudan as examples of the UN falling short of its commitment to protect people from genocide.

  "Terrible things are happening today in Darfur, Sudan," UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the assembly. "All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing," he said, quoting the late philosopher Edmund Burke.

  For many Jewish and Israeli officials, the mere fact that the UN had agreed to hold a special session on Auschwitz ? and in the great hall in which Israel is so often vilified ? constituted a significant triumph.

  "Maybe they're trying to correct the damage the United Nations did, not only to the Jews but to the world at large, to call Zionism racism," said Roman Kent, chairman of American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, referring to the infamous 1975 UN resolution equating Zionism with racism. That resolution was invalidated in 1991.

  Kent said he met last week with Annan and his wife, Nane, a niece of Raoul Wallenberg ? the Swedish diplomat who saved thousands of Jews during the Nazi era ? for nearly an hour after the opening of the UN exhibit on Auschwitz.

  Israel's ambassador to the UN, Dan Gillerman, told The Jerusalem Post, "This is no doubt a very major achievement for the Israeli Foreign Ministry as well as for Israel, but this goes far beyond that. This is not an Israeli event. This is a universal event.

  "The Holocaust and the Second World War are really the raisons d'etre that this organization exists," Gillerman said.
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  oh I just cooled off its minus 26c out here
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  heatmtiser thx

  there was one here a few weeks ago that made my blad boiled
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  this is why you call me Mewbie lol thx
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  When they were young, they fought the Nazis, and then bore witness to the extreme depravity of which human beings are capable.
  Now in or nearing their 80s and 90s, the Allied soldiers who liberated the concentration camps of Europe are recounting their memories of the horrors. Approaching the January 27 anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, many of those still living feel an urgency to testify about what they encountered.
  Anatoly Shapiro, 92, has never forgotten what he saw at Auschwitz on January 27, 1945. That was the day Shapiro, who says he was the first Russian officer to enter the infamous concentration camp, led his battalion to liberate it.
  In an interview Saturday in his apartment in the Coney Island section of Brooklyn, he sits alongside his wife, Vita, his tall, thin form upright and his eyes are clear as he describes, through a translator, the things he still sees in nightmares 60 years later.
  "We saw German soldiers, and when we opened the gate, we saw one barrack, then the next, on and on for a hundred barracks," he recalls.
  "When I saw the people, it was skin and bones. They had no shoes, and it was freezing. They couldn't even turn their heads, they stood like dead people.
  "I told them, 'The Russian army liberates you!' They couldn't understand. A few who could touched our arms and said, 'Is it true? Is it real?'"
  As a commanding officer, his task was to direct his men. Half his battalion, originally 900 men, had died in battle. But nothing they had endured had prepared them for what they found inside Auschwitz.
  His men pleaded with him to let them leave.
  "The general told me, 'Have the soldiers go from barrack to barrack. Let them see what happened to the people,'" he says.
  He ordered them to accompany him, and they went from barrack to barrack. He remembers, "In German, it said, 'damas,' ? women. When I opened the barracks, I saw blood, dead people, and in between them, women still alive and naked.
  "It stank; you couldn't stay a second. No one took the dead to a grave. It was unbelievable. The soldiers from my battalion asked me, 'Let us go. We can't stay. This is unbelievable.'
  "We went to the barracks for men; it was the same as the barracks for the women. People... were naked, or [had] just thin clothes, no shoes, in the freezing cold; it was January. Only a few people could talk; they didn't have energy. But a few people were able to talk, so slowly. [They told us] once a day they got a little water, no bread, no anything. If someone died, they took the clothes, to get a little warmth, anywhere. They died from hunger and cold.
  "I was shocked, devastated."
  Shapiro remembers two barracks for children.
  "Outside it said, 'kinder.' Inside one, there were only two children alive; all the others had been killed in gas chambers, or were in the 'hospital' where the Nazis performed medical experiments on them. When we went in, the children were screaming, 'We are not Jews!' It turned out that they really were Jewish children and were afraid they were about to be taken to the gas chambers."
  He remembers the Russian Red Cross trying to feed the people.
  "Immediately they started cooking chicken soup, vegetable soup, but the people couldn't eat because their stomachs were like" ? instead of using words, he shows his clenched fist.
  After the Red Cross had removed survivors, Shapiro continues, he directed his soldiers to begin cleaning the barracks to prevent disease from spreading.
  Because of the repression of Judaism in the former Soviet Union, Shapiro says he did not know how many Jews the Nazis had killed until he learned that the figure was six million when he and his family immigrated to the United States in 1992.
  Shapiro has been asked to speak after the president of Poland at the January 27 ceremony in Krakow commemorating the liberation. As it turns out, he cannot be at the ceremony, but he feels it is crucial to speak about what he saw so that future generations will remember. He is particularly gratified to be able to talk because he was not able to do so in the former Soviet Union.
  "If I had spoken of what I saw, I would have been sent to jail," he says. "Today, I never forget what happened in Auschwitz and in the war to our six million, and to all [those who died at the hands of the Nazis]." Auschwitz was one of the first camps that the Allies reached, so the anniversary of its liberation prompts reflection by the liberators of other camps as well.
  Marvin Josephs, 81, of Phoenix, helped liberate Ohrdruf and Buchenwald in Germany. As a master sergeant with Ace Corps headquarters, 3rd Army, Josephs's unit entered Buchenwald on April 12, 1945, with a military chaplain, Rabbi Herschel Schachter.
  "Rabbi Schachter announced with a bullhorn, 'You're free,' and the survivors came and tried to kiss his boots," Josephs says. "They were emaciated, starving."
  One man in particular, who said he had been a professor at the University of Prague, showed the camp to Josephs, the rabbi, and several other American soldiers. The tour included the crematoria and the home of the commandant and his wife, Ilse Koch, whose brutality earned her the nickname "Beast of Buchenwald."
  "It was so terrible; it was hard for the mind to absorb it."
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  When they were young, they fought the Nazis, and then bore witness to the extreme depravity of which human beings are capable.

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